Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am even more cautious - if I want to check the anomalous map for a strong scatterer I set the putative anomalous scatterer occupancy to 0.0 . Theoretically it shouldn't be necessary - the atom map uses Phic+90 (or maybe Phic -90??) but if the site is excluded you feel more secure in drawing con

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-25 Thread James Holton
That just looks like bulk solvent to me.  Might be extra dense to the the barium, but disordered bulk nonetheless. If, as you say, the anomalous peak only shows up after you model in a strong anomalous scatterrer and not when you don't model in anomalous signal, then I suspect all you are seei

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-24 Thread Betty Chu
; >> Good luck! >> >> Herman >> >> >> >> *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *Im Auftrag >> von *Betty Chu >> *Gesendet:* Montag, 21. August 2017 17:19 >> *An:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK >> *Betreff:* [ccp4bb] Unknown posi

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-22 Thread Pradeep Pallan
; *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *Im Auftrag von > *Betty Chu > *Gesendet:* Montag, 21. August 2017 17:19 > *An:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Betreff:* [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density > > > > Dear ccp4bb, > > I am refining a 1.40 Angs

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
anomalous peak is phosphorus. Good luck! Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Betty Chu Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2017 17:19 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density Dear ccp4bb, I am refining a 1.40 Angstrom data set for

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Shailesh Tripathi
* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density > > > > Betty, > > > > I think that f’’ for Ba at this wavelength is around 3.5 electrons, and > f'' for As is expected to be about 3 electrons. Is there a nearby > crystallog

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Keller, Jacob
Fourier truncation ripples? JPK From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of CRAIG A BINGMAN Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:20 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density Betty, I think that f’’ for Ba at this wavelength is

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread CRAIG A BINGMAN
Betty, I think that f’’ for Ba at this wavelength is around 3.5 electrons, and f'' for As is expected to be about 3 electrons. Is there a nearby crystallographic symmetry axis? Craig On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Betty Chu mailto:chube...@umd.edu>> wrote: Hi Craig, The data collection wavele

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Betty Chu
Hi Craig, The data collection wavelength was 0.92 Angstroms. Since we observe anomalous signal for Ba at this wavelength, we would expect greater anomalous signal if As were present. There is a possibility for weak anomalous signal in this positive density, but the weak anomalous signal only shows

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread CRAIG A BINGMAN
What is the data collection wavelength/energy? Would you expect significant anomalous diffraction from As at this wavelength? On Aug 21, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Betty Chu mailto:chube...@umd.edu>> wrote: Hi Shailesh, When I modelled in the Barium ion with octahedrally coordinated waters and ran th

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Betty Chu
Hi Shailesh, When I modelled in the Barium ion with octahedrally coordinated waters and ran the refinement, the distances from the barium to some of the waters ended up being too close (<2.2 Angstroms). Also, the positive electron density is connected. If the density indicated barium with coordina

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Shailesh Tripathi
Looks like Ba2+. Since it exist with coordination number 6 or above check what geometry water is following there (trigonal bipiramidal or so on). Water might also be shared by symmetry related Ba cation. Shailesh Kumar Tripathi, Phone: 9686289668 On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Betty Chu wro

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Betty Chu
Yes, I have. The cacodylate ion does not fit well into the density. On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Pradeep Pallan wrote: > Did you try modelling in a cacodylate ion (CH3)2AsO2-? > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Betty Chu wrote: > >> Dear ccp4bb, >> >> I am refining a 1.40 Angstrom data

Re: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Pradeep Pallan
Did you try modelling in a cacodylate ion (CH3)2AsO2-? On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Betty Chu wrote: > Dear ccp4bb, > > I am refining a 1.40 Angstrom data set for a DNA oligonucleotide. While > the model for the DNA fits very well into the density, there is a patch of > positive electron de

[ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-21 Thread Betty Chu
Dear ccp4bb, I am refining a 1.40 Angstrom data set for a DNA oligonucleotide. While the model for the DNA fits very well into the density, there is a patch of positive electron density in the solvent space that we are having trouble with. The screenshot can be viewed through this link: https://c