Re: [ccp4bb] twinned data refinement

2015-06-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you have unmerged data try running it through pointless/aimless/ctruncate. That analyses twin fractions very carefully and with that twin law you should see some evidence of 6 fold symmetry but less pronounced than for the 3 and 2 fold symmetry operators.. Eleanor On 11 June 2015 at 01:03, Men

Re: [ccp4bb] twinned data refinement

2015-06-10 Thread Mengbin Chen
Thank you Jacob and Ethan! I haven't put water molecules into the density blob, which aren't many out there, but I fitted the ligands in already. Molbrobity statistics are not yet great, since there are 13.5% rotamer outliers. Will adjust the models manually, and try refmac and TLS refinement. T

Re: [ccp4bb] twinned data refinement

2015-06-10 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Wednesday, 10 June, 2015 17:35:25 Mengbin Chen wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am refining a 2.5 angstrom structure whose phase is solved by molecular > replacement with a search probe determined by SAD with 3 angstrom > resolution. While I am able to see densities of a bunch of water molecules

Re: [ccp4bb] twinned data refinement

2015-06-10 Thread Keller, Jacob
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] twinned data refinement Hello everyone, I am refining a 2.5 angstrom structure whose phase is solved by molecular replacement with a search probe determined by SAD with 3 angstrom resolution. While I am able to see densities of a bunch of water molecules and ligands in

[ccp4bb] twinned data refinement

2015-06-10 Thread Mengbin Chen
Hello everyone, I am refining a 2.5 angstrom structure whose phase is solved by molecular replacement with a search probe determined by SAD with 3 angstrom resolution. While I am able to see densities of a bunch of water molecules and ligands in the MR solved structure, which means that the phase

[ccp4bb] twinned data

2013-03-05 Thread Faisal Tarique
Dear all Lately i have found my crystals to be pseudomerohedrally twinned with a twin fraction of 0.22..but on doing twin refinement nothing much is changing in terms of statistics as compared to the previously solved data which did not include twin refinement (in present case the data is solved a

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned Data - more information

2012-10-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Or put all files into pointless.. It will read XDS and do the indexing checks Eleanor On 19 Oct 2012, at 12:45, vellieux wrote: > Well, the first thing I note is that P6(3) is a polar space group. > > Hence what I would do myself is the following: > > take your crystal 'number 1' (as a referen

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned Data - more information

2012-10-20 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear Iris, just to add to Fred's posting: since XDS Version June 2, 2008 re-indexing is no longer necessary if REFERENCE_DATA_SET is used - XDS then does the re-indexing automatically in the CORRECT step. This makes it very easy to avoid the problem of alternative indexing in space groups like

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned Data - more information

2012-10-19 Thread vellieux
Well, the first thing I note is that P6(3) is a polar space group. Hence what I would do myself is the following: take your crystal 'number 1' (as a reference); take the results of XDS for crystal number 2 (XDS_ASCII.HKL) and reindex it; try to see which of the original XDS_ASCII or the reinde

[ccp4bb] Twinned Data - more information

2012-10-19 Thread Iris Gawarzewski
Hello everybody, I collected datasets with a resolution to 2.8A from 3 crystal grown in the same condition. The space group seems to be P63. Statistic of XSCALE.LP SUBSET OF INTENSITY DATA WITH SIGNAL/NOISE >= -3.0 AS FUNCTION OF RESOLUTION RESOLUTION NUMBER OF REFLECTIONSCOMPLETENESS

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned Data

2012-10-19 Thread vellieux
Hello, I am afraid that you aren't saying (writing) enough to describe the problem(s) you are facing... Twin fraction ? How many crystals were used to collect the diffraction data (remember that there are polar space groups, where c going "up" is different from c going "down") etc etc. Witho

[ccp4bb] Twinned Data

2012-10-19 Thread Iris Gawarzewski
Hello everybody, I collected data to 2.8A with the space group P63 but they seems to be twinned. I tried phenix refinement with the twin law I got from Xtriage but the model looks quiet weird... Hope that somebody can help me with this problem. Kind regards, Iris _

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned data

2010-10-04 Thread Clayton, Gina Martyn
- Original Message - From: "Clayton, Gina Martyn" Date: Friday, October 1, 2010 21:28 Subject: [ccp4bb] Twinned data To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Hi there > > Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions how I can deal, if > possible, with the following situation -

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned data

2010-10-04 Thread Clayton, Gina Martyn
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:35 PM To: Clayton, Gina Martyn Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned data If you really have the systematic absences for P41 or P43 then you must have (at least) four molecules in the cell, twinning cannot reduce this. Since a solvent content of 1

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned data

2010-10-01 Thread George M. Sheldrick
If you really have the systematic absences for P41 or P43 then you must have (at least) four molecules in the cell, twinning cannot reduce this. Since a solvent content of 16% is too low, the most likely explanation is that it is not twinned but that the protein is smaller than the one you are ex

[ccp4bb] Twinned data

2010-10-01 Thread Clayton, Gina Martyn
Hi there Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions how I can deal, if possible, with the following situation -. My first encounter with twinned data... which initially indexed as p43/p41 cell dimensions 58.4 58.4 61 90 90 90. Having seen the Matthews Coefficient for the solvent content of th

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-16 Thread Ed Pozharski
ilto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von > Walter Kim > Gesendet: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:22 AM > An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Betreff: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps > > Hi again, > > Thanks for your insight into refinement tools for twinned data. I have a > coup

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-16 Thread Clemens Steegborn
Dodson Gesendet: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:52 PM An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps But dont all twinned refinement programs output detwinned terms for a map? Certainly REFMAC and SHELX do. Eleanor Clemens Steegborn wrote: > Hi Walter, > > You

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-16 Thread Garib Murshudov
o try Phenix ... Best Clemens -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walter Kim Gesendet: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:22 AM An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps Hi again, Thanks for your insight into refin

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
LWAYS to try more than one program, and also to try Phenix ... Best Clemens -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walter Kim Gesendet: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:22 AM An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-16 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
program, and also to try Phenix ... Best Clemens -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walter Kim Gesendet: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:22 AM An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps Hi again, Than

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-16 Thread Clemens Steegborn
o:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walter Kim Gesendet: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:22 AM An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps Hi again, Thanks for your insight into refinement tools for twinned data. I have a couple of twinned data sets that are nearly perf

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am not sure if there is any way of avoiding model bias if the coordinates are included regardless of whether there is twinning or not - my preferred method is to set the occupancies of suspect regions to 0.00 then do refinement of the better parts of the model and then check maps again and re

[ccp4bb] Twinned data and maps

2009-03-15 Thread Walter Kim
Hi again, Thanks for your insight into refinement tools for twinned data. I have a couple of twinned data sets that are nearly perfectly pseudomerohedrally twinned. I've begun to refine my data in Refmac5 (using the automated twin refinement), CNS (using the twin inputs) and Shelxl; I'm testing ou