Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-23 Thread James Holton
You can put your "dogbowl dewar" under the microscope and focus it on the surface of the liquid nitrogen. This works very well once you have got the lighting right. You want to shine the light on the bottom of the dewar so that it acts as a backlight for your loop. You can hold the loop just

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-23 Thread Clemens Grimm
Checking Cryo-Conditions under the microscope can actually be very useful. Even if you have access to a X-ray beam, simple pre-tests can be very informative. This can be done as follows: A 24well plate cover is placed on a stereo microscope open side down, a second one on top of it the oth

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread Jürgen Bosch
I think I posted this link maybe two years ago: http://idb.exst.jaxa.jp/db_data/protein/search-e.php? Jürgen On Sep 22, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Elspeth Garman wrote: or see concentrations given in: McFerrin and Snell J.Appl.Cryst (2002) 35, 538 and Mitchell and Garman, J.Appl.Cryst. (1996) 29, 584

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread Elspeth Garman
or see concentrations given in: McFerrin and Snell J.Appl.Cryst (2002) 35, 538 and Mitchell and Garman, J.Appl.Cryst. (1996) 29, 584 Good luck EFG Paul Leonard wrote: Hi Claudia It really is best to test the cryo condition in an X-ray beam. However, if you don't have access to X-rays in hous

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread Paul Leonard
Hi Claudia It really is best to test the cryo condition in an X-ray beam. However, if you don't have access to X-rays in house you could look at the hampton crystallization screen conditions (or another supplier). Find a condition with a similar amount and type of precipitant as you have in your

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread Arthur Glasfeld
It might be risky (and silly), but I have done this successfully. I just put a small dewar of liquid N2 under the scope, focussed directly above the surface and looked to see if cryo solutions froze clear or not. The ones that did worked out when we got to the beamline (we'd verified that

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread Frank von Delft
Hi Claudia "By eye" is not a bad approximation. The trick I learnt at the JCSG (I forget the originator, sorry) is to suck up some solution in a P2 pipette tip (the clear ones), dip it in lN2, and then hold it just above the lN2 (where it's still cold) to check for clearness or not. Is a go

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread mesters
Dear Claudia, please be so kind and tell us all what is / are the crystallization condition(s)? It would help to us to answer your question! - J. - Claudia Scotti wrote: Dear List, Sorry for the probably silly question. Any suggestions to test cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostre

Re: [ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread Karthik S
I have not heard of anyone checking for suitable cryo in that fashion how fast can you do it before it is affected by room temp and how would you know about the ice rings, but when you have crystal(s) and not crystal you can freeze different ones in several different cryos (sugars, glycerol etc) an

[ccp4bb] Test of cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream

2009-09-22 Thread Claudia Scotti
Dear List, Sorry for the probably silly question. Any suggestions to test cryoconditions without X-rays or cryostream? I'd need to freeze crystals before going to ESRF and I'm a bit anxious. Is it enough to try to freeze the cryoconditions in liquid nitrogen checking under the mi