Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-23 Thread Manfred S. Weiss
mean...still an unresolved mess see the papers/threads on cc1/2, cc* etc... Best, BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Roberto Battistutta Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:09 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Rmerge,

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp
tutta > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:09 PM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd) > > Hi, > in the Rupp book the following relation is reported (on pag 415): > Rmerge 0.8/ > referring to a relation of "the linear merg

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-18 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Ed, your example seems to be designed to show that the average of reciprocal values is not the same as the reciprocal of an average value? If that is what you are alluding to, then please not that the (relatively narrow) Wilson distribution of intensities has the effect of making the relatio

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-18 Thread Edward A. Berry
Roberto Battistutta wrote: Hi, in the Rupp book the following relation is reported (on pag 415): Rmerge ≈ 0.8/ referring to a relation of "the linear merging R-value with the signal-to-noise ratio". in a 2006 CCP4bb, Manfred Weiss reported: Rrim (or Rmeas) = 0.8*sd(i)/I > Bernhard Rupp wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-18 Thread Bernhard Rupp
>>(i) We have multiple observations of the same, already integrated h: the >>'unmerged' data <- most important data set which SHOULD BE deposited and >>rarely is. >yes, fully agree. Perfect. > I don't quite understand the difference between (ii) and (iii). As soon as > you take the weighted a

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-18 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:33:30 +0200, Bernhard Rupp wrote: >>[There is] a distinction between indicators of the precision of merged data, >>and those for the precision of unmerged data. > >Let's take a step back - definitions matter: > >(i) We have multiple observations of the same, already integ

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-18 Thread Bernhard Rupp
>[There is] a distinction between indicators of the precision of merged data, >and those for the precision of unmerged data. Let's take a step back - definitions matter: (i) We have multiple observations of the same, already integrated h: the 'unmerged' data <- most important data set which SHO

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-18 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Roberto, for my taste the answers so far have not mentioned (or I did not understand them) that there is a distinction between indicators of the precision of merged data, and those for the precision of unmerged data. It is not possible to directly compare (or equate) indicators of one catego

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-17 Thread Edward A. Berry
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Roberto Battistutta Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:09 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd) Hi, in the Rupp book the following relation is reported (on pag 415): Rmerge 0.8/ referring to a relation of "the linear merg

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-17 Thread Bernhard Rupp
tutta > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:09 PM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd) > > Hi, > in the Rupp book the following relation is reported (on pag 415): > Rmerge 0.8/ > referring to a relation of "the linear merg

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-16 Thread Manfred S. Weiss
mean...still an unresolved mess see the papers/threads on cc1/2, cc* etc... Best, BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Roberto Battistutta Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:09 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Rmerge,

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-16 Thread Bernhard Rupp
, cc* etc... Best, BR -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Roberto Battistutta Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:09 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd) Hi, in the Rupp book the following r

[ccp4bb] Rmerge, Rmeas, I/sigma, Mn(I/sd)

2014-04-16 Thread Roberto Battistutta
Hi, in the Rupp book the following relation is reported (on pag 415): Rmerge ≈ 0.8/ referring to a relation of "the linear merging R-value with the signal-to-noise ratio". in a 2006 CCP4bb, Manfred Weiss reported: Rrim (or Rmeas) = 0.8*sd(i)/I so, First question: is it Rmerge or Rmeas (Rrim) t