Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-15 Thread bas
Dear Clemens, sounds like typical pathology of plate-like crystals, which often suffer from slight growth defects and possibly deformation during handling/freezing. If the Se-Met crystals are indeed easy to obtain in large numbers you may want to test as many of them as you can, because there can

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-15 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 03:03:57PM -0400, Guangyu Zhu wrote: > Zn and Se have similar f' and f''. Why Zn seems have much better phasing > powder in practice? Is it just because Zn always binds tightly on protein > but Se might have higher b-factor? Also: Met sidechains often adopt alternate confor

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Charlie Bond
Subject: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all, after the SeMet phasing discussion, what would be -in general- the best technique to phase low resolution data (<=4A) of large complexes (>=150 kDA) - in terms of - derivatization compounds (is there som

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Guangyu Zhu
Maybe I'm wrong. Myself solved structure with 1Zn/400aa. In Pete's case 1Zn/570 aa structure was solved at low resolution. I also heard some other cases of 1Zn for > 400 aa. But for Se, I never heard 1se for > 300aa. Se could be partially incorporated or have mixed oxidation state. This could affec

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Pete Meyer
Guangyu Zhu wrote: > Zn and Se have similar f' and f''. Why Zn seems have much better phasing > powder in practice? Is it just because Zn always binds tightly on protein > but Se might have higher b-factor? I don't have a better explanation than tighter binding for Zn, although I suppose that it's

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread J. Preben Morth
Dear Martin You can either add the cluster as a powder, just dip the tip of a needle in the powder and gently approach the drop with the needle, the Ta6Br12 crystals will spray itself onto the drop. Then you just wait for the crystal to turn green, I usually marked the position where the

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Roger Rowlett
Regarding question 1, see: Acta Cryst. (2008). D64, 354-367  Towards a rational approach for heavy-atom derivative screening in protein crystallography J. Agniswamy, M. G. Joyce, C. H. Hammer and P. D. Sun Cheers. riya doreen wrote: I have two questions regarding derivatization:  

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread riya doreen
I have two questions regarding derivatization: (i) Is there a pH dependence to making derivatives ? i.e. effectiveness of getting derivatives at low vs high pH ? (ii) Any thoughts on the effectiveness of Barium for phasing low resolution structures (especially for magnesium binding proteins ) ???

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Guangyu Zhu
Zn and Se have similar f' and f''. Why Zn seems have much better phasing powder in practice? Is it just because Zn always binds tightly on protein but Se might have higher b-factor? Guangyu On 5/14/09 2:31 PM, "Pete Meyer" wrote: > You might find Structure 14, 973-982 Jun 2006 of interest. >

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Martin Jinek
Dear all Now that tantalum clusters have been mentioned I have recently had issues with the solubility of the Ta6Br12 cluster (obtained from Jena Bioscience) in PEG-based crystallisation conditions at pH 8.0-8.5. Has anybody also experienced this? Is there a trick to getting the compound to di

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Pete Meyer
You might find Structure 14, 973-982 Jun 2006 of interest. Larger protein, Zn instead of Se (although only 8 sites), roughly comparable to slightly lower resolution. This was mainly testing to confirm that there was enough anomalous signal to phase off of, so the model was essentially known; howe

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Phoebe Rice
--- Original message >Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:35:28 +0200 >From: Clemens Grimm >Subject: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution >To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > >Dear all, > >after the SeMet phasing discussion, what would be -in general- the >best technique to phas

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Clemens Grimm
OK, here's a concrete case: A 150kDa protein complex, the plate-like crystals can be produced in sufficient number; Se-Met derivatives available, total number of Met around 20, subunits could be marked and combined individually. Diffraction is highly anisotropic, in certain directions up to

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Georg Zocher
Dear Clemens, For the choice of derivatization compounds this might be helpfull: Z. Dauter (2005). C. R. Chimie 8, 1808-1814. Best Regards, Georg Clemens Grimm wrote: Dear all, after the SeMet phasing discussion, what would be -in general- the best technique to phase low resolution data (<

[ccp4bb] Phasing at Low Resolution

2009-05-14 Thread Clemens Grimm
Dear all, after the SeMet phasing discussion, what would be -in general- the best technique to phase low resolution data (<=4A) of large complexes (>=150 kDA) - in terms of - derivatization compounds (is there something like the 'golden five' HA compounds for these cases), - data colle

Re: [ccp4bb] phasing at low resolution

2008-05-09 Thread Raja Dey
K Sent: Friday, 9 May, 2008 4:05:38 PM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] phasing at low resolution Hallo Sajid, shelxe produces both .phs file. This can be displayed in coot as electron density map. If you read in the .res file, it should show the 12 Se-sites. They are good guiding points to start model building

Re: [ccp4bb] phasing at low resolution

2008-05-09 Thread Tim Gruene
Hallo Sajid, shelxe produces both .phs file. This can be displayed in coot as electron density map. If you read in the .res file, it should show the 12 Se-sites. They are good guiding points to start model building. They should also help you judge whether your solution is at all usable and cor

[ccp4bb] phasing at low resolution

2008-05-09 Thread sajid akthar
Hi All I have a data set of Se-Met crystal 3.65A resolution collected at Inflection and peak wavelength. Also I have a data set at same resolution in native form. The protein size is 28000 dalton. I dont have any model for this protein. So I started to find the heavy atom peak search to find out