Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Chris Richardson
On 23 Jan 2013, at 14:05, Bosch, Juergen wrote: > I assume nobody of you is running an actual Osx server ? I mean the upgrade > to a full server version of the commonly distributed normal Osx releases ? At the moment we have two OS X servers. One runs open directory for user authentication. T

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Sidhu, Khushwant S. (Dr.)
Hi, I'm running a mac mini server. The file sharing seems to work fine - I'm not running NIS. There is a lag in software starting up - up to 20-30 s but once the software is loaded, it runs fine. We did some benchmarking with phaser last week & there was no perceivable difference in running it

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Dmitry Rodionov
We have 10.5&10.6 servers and briefly tested 10.7 server. Last time I tried, Ubuntu 12.04 box would not authenticate users registered on the OS X Open Directory server. Before that, 10.04 clients would cause random user lockouts. NFS GUI is gone as of 10.7 Regards, Dmitry On 2013-01-23,

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
We did work with a full blown OSX Server in 2004 - indeed many issues on NFS were Ok, but NIS was a problem - or we could not figure it out. We used it as server for developers, running X-grid, SVN, WebObjects servers for a couple of EC networks, but never deployed it fully as a departmental-leve

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Bosch, Juergen
I assume nobody of you is running an actual Osx server ? I mean the upgrade to a full server version of the commonly distributed normal Osx releases ? I have not done it yet but I do think many of the issues mentioned regarding NFS/NIS could be addressed there. Regarding the missing macpro upgra

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Peter Keller
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 01:54 -0700, James Stroud wrote: > On Jan 22, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Nat Echols wrote: > > The real difficulty is integrating Macs into a > > Linux-centric environment, for example configuring NFS, NIS, etc. > > That's because NFS and NIS are antiquities left over from the days o

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice (rapidly veering off topic)

2013-01-23 Thread Chris Richardson
In the great internet tradition I'll chip in with my opinion even though it doesn't differ substantially from those already stated earlier in the thread. I'm responsible for a mixed bag of Windows, Linux and Mac boxen used for crystallography and structural electron microscopy. In terms of sett

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Ashley Buckle
Cara you have re-ignited the perennial Mac v PC debate!!! You'll be asking about depositing raw diffraction data next ;) Cheers Ashley Sent from my iPhone On 23/01/2013, at 10:29 PM, Anastassis Perrakis wrote: > I am of the opinion that the truth lies somewhere in between ... > > Here are my

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
I am of the opinion that the truth lies somewhere in between ... Here are my two cents based on personal experience ... For example, I am happy myself using a MacBook Pro, which is sufficient for all my activities, and has all software and data that I need. Thus, I am myself on the 'new' paradig

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread James Stroud
On Jan 22, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Nat Echols wrote: > The real difficulty is integrating Macs into a > Linux-centric environment, for example configuring NFS, NIS, etc. That's because NFS and NIS are antiquities left over from the days of mainframes. Distributed file systems and user information data

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-23 Thread Antony Oliver
Dmitry... everyone is of course entitled to their opinion - but as one of the brain-washed masses I feel I need to at least reply (!). Sorry Cara... >>> I am not happy with the direction OS X is going. Too much emphasis on eye >>> candy and not enough on underlying technology. Fair enough, but

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread James Stroud
I meant c.2006 iMac, of course. James On Jan 22, 2013, at 11:05 PM, James Stroud wrote: > Get a quad-core. If you have iTunes going, some website running javascript > without your knowing it, and you have a computational job running, then > you've used up your dual core and things get sluggish

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:05 PM, James Stroud wrote: > On Mac v. Linux where calculations come secondary to office-type > calculations, you have to weigh your level of vendor lock-in. Do you run > Libreoffice or Microsoft Office? Inkscape or Illustrator? Gimp or Photoshop? > Etc. If you are lo

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread kaiser
- Reply message - From: "James Stroud" Date: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:05 pm Subject: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice To: Get a quad-core. If you have iTunes going, some website running javascript without your knowing it, and you have a computational job running, then you've used up

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread James Stroud
Get a quad-core. If you have iTunes going, some website running javascript without your knowing it, and you have a computational job running, then you've used up your dual core and things get sluggish. It happens to me all the time on my c. 1996 iMac, which is still (barely) good enough for me.

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Dmitry Rodionov
AFAIK there is no problem mixing and matching different timing RAM: system will run at the speed of the slowest module. I don't think anybody will notice the difference with CAS latency Coot'ing and Refmac'ing. I don't think there is much sense in having more than 4 GB of RAM per physical core

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Bryan Lepore
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Phil Jeffrey wrote: > I don't think that anybody has shown a significant performance difference > on Apple memory vs a reasonable 3rd party supplier. Apple may potentially > have better quality controls but places like Crucial essentially have > lifetime warrantie

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Bosch, Juergen
> Any reason for the Mac Mini over the iMac A zalman monitor ir can you hook up a second monitor in stereo mode to your iMac ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Researc

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Antony Oliver
Hi Cara, Any reason for the Mac Mini over the iMac? - presumably as you've got a suitable monitor / keyboard already? We're pretty much exclusively iMac of late (ditched the towers) and finding them absolutely fine for both fairly intensive jobs (refinement) and visualisation/building (Coot

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Phil Jeffrey
I don't think that anybody has shown a significant performance difference on Apple memory vs a reasonable 3rd party supplier. Apple may potentially have better quality controls but places like Crucial essentially have lifetime warranties on their memory. I use Crucial at home and at work. I

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Bryan Lepore
On Jan 22, 2013, at 13:08, Nat Echols wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:59 . > > I would definitely recommend maxing out the memory, but don't buy it > from Apple - we were able to get 16GB from CDW for less than $100. I think it is just that Apple only offers the highest end memory - CL and a

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Cara Vaughan wrote: > I've seen from the archive that some people do use the Mac Mini for > crystallography and I've got two questions: > 1. Do I need the Quad core or is a Dual core processor enough? You can survive with the dual, but I would definitely spring fo

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Current Mac minis outperform my 2009 models with which I am still happy. So dual core I guess would be sufficient no need for upgrade on graphics card. Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Johns

[ccp4bb] Mac mini advice

2013-01-22 Thread Cara Vaughan
Dear CCP4BB I'm thinking about buying a Mac Mini and was looking for advice from people who have used these for crystallography. We don't need the computer to do serious number-crunching as we have back-end servers that can do this for us, so it is primarily for running coot for model bui