Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-05 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 05 May 2010 12:49:34 am Jon Wright wrote: > > I've been curious about this unit cell constant mis-matching for a > while. If I understood well, Perutz tried to exploit the effect for > phasing prior to heavy atom methods. As the unit cell changes, the > diffraction peaks move, inte

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-05 Thread Jon Wright
Ian Tickle replied: (freezing & soaking can easily induce > 1% and sometimes > 5% change), is surely the reason that Fo-Fo maps never caught on! I've been curious about this unit cell constant mis-matching for a while. If I understood well, Perutz tried to exploit the effect

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
Ian's analysis is, as usual, much more sophisticated then my little back-of-the-envelope calculation. I would like to make one philosophical note: The non-isomorphism between the two crystals is not "noise" in the Fo-Fo map, it is the whole point. Sometimes the non-isomorphism is dominated by

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-04 Thread Ian Tickle
Dale, On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Dale Tronrud wrote: >  The greater the difference in cell constants the greater the "noise" > in the map.  I think the high resolution cutoff for the maps should > be > >    2 A delta/(A+delta) > > where A is the cell edge with the largest change, and delta

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
I've struggled with getting CCP4 to calculate Fo-Fo maps, since I usually use other software. The tricks are that the data sets have to be scaled to each other in reciprocal space, and the maps calculated with the same cell constants (which will be a lie for at least one of them). The procedur

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-03 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Lucas, phenix.fobs_minus_fobs_map might work for you. Example: phenix.fobs_minus_fobs_map f_obs_1_file=data1.mtz f_obs_2_file=data2.sca f_obs_1_label=FOBS1 f_obs_2_label=FOBS2 model.pdb where model.pdb is used as a source of phases for your map. To be honest, I forgot how strictly I requ

[ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-03 Thread Yi-Liang Liu
Hi Everyone, I've checked the previous posts about how to generate the difference map from two crystals with different cell constants. I tried MAPMAN to generate this map but I never got luck on this. It turned out to show "Maps have different cell constants" every time. Does anyone know wh