Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallisation of a minority fraction monomers

2015-04-08 Thread F. Xavier Gomis-Ruth
Dear Sebastiaan, we indeed found something very similar with selecase (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25159620). This is a highly specific metallopeptidase, which is also a metamorphic protein that transits between several stable states, among which only the monomer is the active species. W

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallisation of a minority fraction monomers

2015-04-08 Thread R. M. Garavito
I just wanted to disagree with Roger's word choice, but not his argument (this is a "flame"-free response). Forget about "packing" and "packable" as there is no outside force doing the work. The molecules are just falling into a local energy minimum where favorable intra- and intermolecular in

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallisation of a minority fraction monomers

2015-04-08 Thread Sebastiaan Werten
Just for clarity: symmetry mates have been taken into account, the dimer really doesn't show up in those crystals. Seb. At Wednesday, 08-04-2015 on 15:16 Marjolein Thunnissen wrote: Hi I guess you mean that the protein is a monomer in the asymmetric unit. It is quite common for multimer

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallisation of a minority fraction monomers

2015-04-08 Thread Roger Rowlett
The problem with crystallization is that is selects for the least soluble, most packable species. Sometimes that works against what you would like to know. That could include oligomerization state as well as conformational state. For example, some of the allosteric carbonic anhydrases stubbornl

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallisation of a minority fraction monomers

2015-04-08 Thread Luca Jovine
Sure - crystallization selects what packs, which may constitute a very minor fraction of what you set up drops with. 1DUH is an example... -Luca > On Apr 8, 2015, at 15:08, Sebastiaan Werten > wrote: > > Dear all, > > we are currently working on a protein that is known to exist in a > monome

[ccp4bb] Crystallisation of a minority fraction monomers

2015-04-08 Thread Sebastiaan Werten
Dear all, we are currently working on a protein that is known to exist in a monomer-dimer equilibrium. At the high concentrations used for crystallisation assays, the dimer is predominant and the monomer practically undetectable. Nevertheless, one of the crystal forms that we have obtained co