Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-20 Thread Nian Huang
Is it possible the solution structure of SAXS, NMR and EM neglect the existence of a very small percentage conformation of the molecule due to the overwhelming signals from the majority conformations? But this state of the molecule is trapped and enriched by the crystallization condition. Nian O

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots--Summary

2012-02-15 Thread James Stroud
I feel compelled to throw a few references into the ring. NFAT is a protein where you get a good sampling of snapshots: 1. Folded up as a monomer when interacting with partner proteins: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9510247 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873067 2. Extended as a

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots--Summary

2012-02-15 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, thanks for all of the responses and conversation. I have culled together the various references which have been sent on the BB and which I have come up with, and posted them below. Worthy of special mention, I think, is the first one (Lange et al), in which 46 (!) different

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-11 Thread Poul Nissen
Another good lesson here: 2. The SAXS solution structure of RF1 differs from its crystal structure and is similar to its ribosome bound cryo-EM structure. Vestergaard B, Sanyal S, Roessle M, Mora L, Buckingham RH, Kastrup JS, Gajhede M, Svergun DI, Ehrenberg M. Mol Cell. 2005 Dec 22;20(6):929-3

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-11 Thread Joel Sussman
2012_02_11 Dear All, Two really striking examples of "Intrinsically Flexible Proteins" are: (1) Adenylate kinase: Vonrhein, Schlauderer & Schulz (1995) Structure 3, 483 “Movie of the structural changes during a catalytic cycle of nucleoside monophosphate kinases” http://portal.uni-freiburg.de/str

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Zhijie Li
3:25 PM To: Subject: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots Dear Crystallographers, I am looking for references which discuss the validity of the assertion that multiple crystal structures of the same or similar proteins can be considered freeze-frame snapshots of actual conformations assu

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Mark Wilson
ncoln, NE 68588 (402) 472-3626 mwilso...@unl.edu Jacob Keller Sent by: CCP4 bulletin board 02/10/2012 03:37 PM Please respond to Jacob Keller To CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK cc Subject Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots Isn't calcium-calmodulin one of the archetypical examp

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Jon Agirre
> > > > -Original Message- > > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of > Nat > > Echols > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:35 PM > > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as S

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Jacob Keller
pporting the >> physiological crystal structures >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Nat >> Echols >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:35 PM >> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Damian Ekiert
Along the lines of Roger's second point, there was a very nice paper a few years back that found very good agreement between the conformational ensemble sampled by ubiquitin in solution (by NMR) with the ensemble of conformations observed in a large number of crystal structures: Lange OF, Lakom

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Nat Echols
t; George > > PS There are lots of solution NMR structures as well supporting the > physiological crystal structures > > > -Original Message- > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Nat > Echols > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:35 PM &

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, February 10, 2012 12:51:03 pm Jacob Keller wrote: > Interesting to juxtapose these two responses: > > James Stroud: > >How could they not be snapshots of conformations adopted in solution? > > David Schuller: > > How could that possibly be the case when any structure is an average of a

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread James Stroud
The contrast seems to boil down to the semantics of the word "snapshot". In my definition, I assume that the uncertainty of a structure is an intrinsic quality of the structure and thus included in the meaning of "snapshot". Part of that uncertainty comes from averaging. James On Feb 10, 2012

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread George
solution NMR structures as well supporting the physiological crystal structures -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Nat Echols Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:35 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as S

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread James Stroud
So the implication is that some of these treatments might allow the protein to overcome energetic barriers that are prohibitive in solution--after the protein is already in the solid state and not in solution any more? Another view is that crystallization is a result of stabilizing conformations

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Jacob Keller
Interesting to juxtapose these two responses: James Stroud: >How could they not be snapshots of conformations adopted in solution? David Schuller: > How could that possibly be the case when any structure is an average of all > the unit cells of the crystal over the timespan of the diffraction > e

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Roger Rowlett
I believe the most justifiable assumption one can make is that crystal structures are likely to represent the least soluble conformations of a protein under the conditions of crystallization (which might be a broad range of conditions, including physiological). Th

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread David Schuller
On 02/10/2012 03:25 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: Dear Crystallographers, I am looking for references which discuss the validity of the assertion that multiple crystal structures of the same or similar proteins can be considered freeze-frame snapshots of actual conformations assumed in solution. In a

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Robert Immormino
Hi Jacob, Lorena Beese has a few systems where snapshots of reaction mechanisms have been looked at structurally. Here are two such papers: Long, SB, Casey, P., Beese, LS (2002) The reaction path of protein farnesyltransferase at atomic resolution. Nature Oct 10; 419(6907):645-50. http://www.ncb

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Jacob Keller
> How could they not be snapshots of conformations adopted in solution? Let me clarify--sorry about that. Consider several structures of the same protein solved under different conditions, or several homologs solved under similar conditions, or both. Further, let's say some structural element, per

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM, James Stroud wrote: > How could they not be snapshots of conformations adopted in solution? Packing billions of copies of an irregularly-shaped protein into a compact lattice and freezing it to 100K isn't necessarily representative of "solution", especially when

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread James Stroud
How could they not be snapshots of conformations adopted in solution? James On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: > Dear Crystallographers, > > I am looking for references which discuss the validity of the > assertion that multiple crystal structures of the same or similar > protein

[ccp4bb] Crystal Structures as Snapshots

2012-02-10 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, I am looking for references which discuss the validity of the assertion that multiple crystal structures of the same or similar proteins can be considered freeze-frame snapshots of actual conformations assumed in solution. In a way, the assertion seems almost definitely tru