Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-20 Thread Jrh
Dear Gerard, Many thanks for these useful clarifications.I see your points clearly. Just to mention that one remark in James's posting regarding photon counting versus read noise caught my attention. I will follow up on this ASAP , which like fine phi slicing gets to the heart of the measurement

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-19 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear John, Thank you for your message. I do realise that what I wrote may have sounded like a "categoric blanket endorsement of XDS". Perhaps I should have slept on my draft message a little longer, but James's long e-mail made me wake up and it seemed appropriate to say what I wanted to say,

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-19 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Gerard, Thank you for sharing these extensive details which I feel sure everyone will appreciate. Just one aspect I wondered about namely your categorical blanket endorsement of XDS. Indeed a very fine program and eg most recently evaluated and discussed at CCP4 2011 I think it was, where it e

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-19 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:25:35 +0100, Frank von Delft wrote: >Dear Gerard - thanks, very informative! Two questions: > >1. >Do I understand correctly, that you say XDS will throw together for >integration counts from many images even if they're spaced widely >throughout the dataset, i.e. through

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-16 Thread James Holton
Frank, Kay or Wolfgang can obviously answer better, but I am pretty sure the answer to your second question is "no". XDS does not consider images collected at 0 and 360 to be "one image". In fact, I think the "phi direction" is internally represented as "detector Z", where "Z" has units of

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-16 Thread James Holton
Gerard, Thanks! Actually, I was sitting on that one for a while and debating the wisdom of posting it. With multi-million-dollar equipment, people tend to get sensitive about "opinions". But, yes, I suppose I didn't answer Theresa's second question about anomalous data collection and rad d

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-16 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Frank, Very good question. You are right: in this statement I used "XDS" rather metaphorically, in the sense that this grouping together of all the counts will happen at merging time rather than at integration time. In the end you will have a counting-statistics contribution to the varia

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-16 Thread Frank von Delft
Dear Gerard - thanks, very informative! Two questions: 1. Do I understand correctly, that you say XDS will throw together for integration counts from many images even if they're spaced widely throughout the dataset, i.e. through the various passes? i.e. if I set up my data collection as 5 co

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-16 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear James, A week ago I wrote what I thought was a perhaps excessively long and overly dense message in reply to Theresa's initial query, then I thought I should sleep on it before sending it, and got distracted by other things. I guess you may well have used that whole week composing

Re: [ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-16 Thread James Holton
Just a few things to add: If you have a _current_ version of ADXV, then that "disappearing sharp spots" problem has been fixed. Try downloading a new copy. Its free. To answer the OP's question: there was a paper written about practical Pilatus data collection recently: http://dx.doi.org/1

[ccp4bb] CCDs + Re: PILATUS data collection

2013-05-09 Thread Jose Brandao-Neto
Hi all, Graeme's message tell the core of the detector usage notes here at diamond. He might have unearthed a can of worms or two, though ;) CCDs still are great detectors! I am not sure about his noise comment as the more recent CCDs (post 2000-ish) are designed to operate with anode sources