Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS

2021-05-29 Thread Ethan A Merritt
t of Chemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Gothenburg > Box 462, 40530 Göteborg, Sweden > Tel: +46-31-786-3959 / M: +46-70-912-3309 / Fax: +46-31-786-3910 > Web: http://katonalab.eu, Email: gergely.kat...@gu.se > > From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Hughes, > Jonathan >

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS

2021-05-29 Thread Gergely Katona
Behalf Of Hughes, Jonathan Sent: 28 May, 2021 14:49 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS hi ian, yes, that aspect was in my mind, a bit, but i wanted to keep it simple. my point wasn't really how the "uncertainty" parameter is derived

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2021-05-28 Thread Hughes, Jonathan
s become exaggerated – which is another word for "misrepresented". cheers j Von: Ian Tickle Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Mai 2021 12:10 An: Hughes, Jonathan Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS Hi Jonathan On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 18:34, Hughes, Jo

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2021-05-28 Thread Randy John Read
It’s also important to keep in mind that, in this equation, u is the component of the displacement *in the direction of the diffraction vector*. If you assume isotropic displacements and you know the mean-squared value of the overall xyz vector displacement, you have to divide that mean-squared

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS

2021-05-28 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Jonathan On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 18:34, Hughes, Jonathan < jon.hug...@bot3.bio.uni-giessen.de> wrote: "B = 8π2 where u is the r.m.s. displacement of a scattering center, and <...> denotes time averaging" Neither of those statements is necessarily correct: u is the _instantaneous_ displacemen

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2021-05-27 Thread Sweet, Robert
ehalf of Hughes, Jonathan Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:03:57 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS hey gerald, yes, and surely it would be better than a u³ -based parameter (if it's the dimensionality arising from a symmetric covariance matri

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2021-05-27 Thread Hughes, Jonathan
redit cards, beaches being what they are. they were a nice couple though. cheers j -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerard Bricogne Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2021 20:19 An: Hughes, Jonathan Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS Dear Jonathan, You are rig

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2021-05-27 Thread Gerard Bricogne
beach in sardinia. > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Gerard Bricogne > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2021 19:05 > An: Hughes, Jonathan > Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS > > > > Dear Jonathan, > >

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2021-05-27 Thread Hughes, Jonathan
n a beach in sardinia. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerard Bricogne Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2021 19:05 An: Hughes, Jonathan Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] (R)MS Dear Jonathan, Isn't it six of one and sqrt(36) of the other ? Best wishes

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2021-05-27 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Jonathan, Isn't it six of one and sqrt(36) of the other ? Best wishes, Gerard. -- On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 04:52:39PM +, Hughes, Jonathan wrote: > hey! > thank y'all for the informative (and swift!) answers! but, if the B factor > (as defined) appears in a mathematical formulation, tha

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2021-05-27 Thread Hughes, Jonathan
hey! thank y'all for the informative (and swift!) answers! but, if the B factor (as defined) appears in a mathematical formulation, that doesn't make it an "appropriate" parameter for mobility/uncertainty. wouldn't √B be better, in the same way that, for humans, standard deviation (RMSD) is a mo