Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-15 Thread Felix Frolow
Pavel, I have a problem with the number of reflections for refinement PHENIX report a. I have almost complete data for the data set - 48071 reflections. I keep always anomalous pairs separated. PHENIX reports (using phenix.model_vs_data.log) 94475 reflections (reasonable, taking into account

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Felix Frolow
My personal experience is ( I frequently re-refine structures I cite if all the data for that exist in PDB) that PDB possesses a significant number of artifacts unsupported by reality but by the wild imagination only. These artifacts are originated from the modest, good and excellent la

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Dale, > 1) There is a need for additional validation of structure factor > depositions. > >My recollection is that the output of SF Check is available to > the depositor via ADIT on the RCSB site. I have found that report > to be quite helpful in checking for gross errors in my stru

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Dale, On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:07:05AM -0700, Dale Tronrud wrote: >This thread has evolved into two different topics. Just to > clarify: > > 1) There is a need for additional validation of structure factor > depositions. > >My recollection is that the output of SF Check is

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Dale, 1) There is a need for additional validation of structure factor depositions. PHENIX has tools for this: 1) "phenix.cif_as_mtz" will convert the PDB data file with diffrcation data into MTZ file. It automatically will figure out if the data are X-ray: Iobs or Fobs, or Neutr

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Frank, Thank you for your answer, as unimitable as ever. We do of course have to wash one plate at a time when we each feel the pinch of hunger; but as we do so we should not forget that the PDB is the Central Planning Office, and that the order for that industrial-scale dishwasher has t

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
This thread has evolved into two different topics. Just to clarify: 1) There is a need for additional validation of structure factor depositions. My recollection is that the output of SF Check is available to the depositor via ADIT on the RCSB site. I have found that report to be qui

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Frank von Delft
Gerard Bricogne wrote: Looking forward to the archiving of the REAL data ... i.e. the images. Using any other form of "data" is like having to eat out of someone else's dirty plate! That may be so -- but if I'm hungry now, I just pop it in the sink -- I don't publish a call for tenders o

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Wladek Minor
Dear Eleanor and Gerard, PDB testing is performed on MTZ file and can not detect conversion errors. Wladek At 10:03 AM 3/12/2009, Gerard Bricogne wrote: Dear Eleanor, That is a useful suggestion, but in the case of 3ftt it would not have helped: the amplitudes would have looked as healthy

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Wladek Minor
Eleanor, Please note that so far CIF structure factors files were not sent by deposition site for verification to authors. I spoke with Helen and John last Saturday and they promised me to change that policy. Alternatively, one can check his/hers new deposit on every Wednesday morning. Best r

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Eleanor, That is a useful suggestion, but in the case of 3ftt it would not have helped: the amplitudes would have looked as healthy as can be (they were calculated!), and it was the associated Sigmas that had absurd values, being in fact phases in degrees. A sanity check on some (recalc

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It would be possible for the deposition sites to run a few simple tests to at least find cases where intensities are labelled as amplitudes or vice versa - the truncate plots of moments and cumulative intensities at least would show something was wrong. Eleanor Wladek Minor wrot Dear All,

Re: [ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-11 Thread Wladek Minor
Dear All, I just received information from Michael Gao (PDB) that updated sf file which is scheduled to be released on March 17, 2009 to replace the current incorrect sf file. Wladek Dr. Wladek Minor Professor of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics Phone: 434-243-6865 Fax: 434-982-1616

[ccp4bb] 3ftt and gremlins

2009-03-11 Thread Wladek Minor
Dear Michael, As we already wrote to Helen and John, structure factors for our deposit (PDB ID 3FTT and RCSB ID RCSB051033) were mis-processed.  Currently, what was pointed on CCP4BB, instead of experimental amplitudes and sigmas PDB reports calculated amplitudes and phases. Most probably our de