Re: [ccp4bb] Reading CCP4 maps into PyMol

2012-12-07 Thread Harman, Christine
Success! Thank you to everyone who replied :) From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Harman, Christine Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:52 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Reading CCP4 maps into PyMol Hi, Can anyone

Re: [ccp4bb] Reading CCP4 maps into PyMol

2012-12-07 Thread Sean Fanning
Hi Christine, I used this tutorial: http://pymolwiki.org/index.php/Display_CCP4_Maps ~Sean On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Harman, Christine < christine.har...@fda.hhs.gov> wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone tell me how to open a CCP4 map in Pymol. > > Thanks, > > Christine > > > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Reading CCP4 maps into PyMol

2012-12-07 Thread Hüsnü Topal
Hi Christine, This link may help... http://pymolwiki.org/index.php/Display_CCP4_Maps Hüsnü Am 07.12.2012 19:52, schrieb Harman, Christine: Hi, Can anyone tell me how to open a CCP4 map in Pymol. Thanks, Christine -- Hüsnü Topal, Dr. rer. nat. University of Zürich, Department of Biochemistr

Re: [ccp4bb] Reading CCP4 maps into PyMol

2012-12-07 Thread William G. Scott
Give it the suffix .ccp4 On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:52 AM, "Harman, Christine" wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone tell me how to open a CCP4 map in Pymol. > > Thanks, > > Christine > > >

[ccp4bb] Reading CCP4 maps into PyMol

2012-12-07 Thread Harman, Christine
Hi, Can anyone tell me how to open a CCP4 map in Pymol. Thanks, Christine

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Zbyszek, That is a useful point. Another way of making it is to notice that the correlation coefficient between two random variables is the cosine of the angle between two vectors of paired values for these, with the proviso that the sums of the component values for each vector add up to

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Alan Cheung
I was confused because it seemed like CC1/2 wasn't very informative at lower resolution since (in my datasets) they were all 99.9-100. So if i've understood this correctly (and i'm honestly not sure that i have) could CC1/2 be useful to show the quality of low resolution data, given more preci

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Miller, Mitchell D.
I too like the idea of reporting the table 1 stats vs resolution rather than just the overall values and highest resolution shell. I also wanted to point out an earlier thread from April about the limitations of the PDB's defining the resolution as being that of the highest resolution reflect

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Zbyszek Otwinowski
The difference between one and the correlation coefficient is a square function of differences between the datapoints. So rather large 6% relative error with 8-fold data multiplicity (redundancy) can lead to CC1/2 values about 99.9%. It is just the nature of correlation coefficients. Zbyszek Otwin

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Douglas Theobald
A good way to think about it is that if CC1/2=100%, that means you can split the data in half, and use one half to perfectly predict the corresponding values of the other half. So yes, perfect internal consistency. On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Phil Evans wrote: > It is internally consistent,

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Edward A. Berry
Yes, well, actually i'm only a middle author on that paper for a good reason, but I did encourage Rebecca and Stephan to use all the data. But on a later, much more modest submission, where the outer shell was not only weak but very incomplete (edges of the detector), the reviewers found it diffic

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Phil Evans
It is internally consistent, though not necessarily correct On 7 Dec 2012, at 16:23, Alan Cheung wrote: > Related to this, I've always wondered what CC1/2 values mean for low > resolution. Not being mathematically inclined, I'm sure this is a naive > question, but i'll ask anyway - what does C

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Alan Cheung
Related to this, I've always wondered what CC1/2 values mean for low resolution. Not being mathematically inclined, I'm sure this is a naive question, but i'll ask anyway - what does CC1/2=100 (or 99.9) mean? Does it mean the data is as good as it gets? Alan On 07/12/2012 17:15, Douglas The

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Douglas Theobald
Hi Boaz, I read the K&K paper as primarily a justification for including extremely weak data in refinement (and of course introducing a new single statistic that can judge data *and* model quality comparably). Using CC1/2 to gauge resolution seems like a good option, but I never got from the p

Re: [ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong Spacegroup

2012-12-07 Thread Edward A. Berry
Does this mean that, when placing the first (or only) copy of a model, the score will not be elevated by presence of tNCS (Unless the model contains domains separated by more or less exactly the distance of the tNCS vector)? (In general, using a generic MR program that does not correct for TNS.) S

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Douglas Theobald
Hi Ed, Thanks for the comments. So what do you recommend? Refine against weak data, and report all stats in a single Table I? Looking at your latest V-ATPase structure paper, it appears you favor something like that, since you report a high res shell with I/sigI=1.34 and Rsym=1.65. On Dec

Re: [ccp4bb] Binding constants/kinetics for crystallisation

2012-12-07 Thread Chittaranjan Das
Roger, Very low values of Kd (nM) may mean that you have a good chance of finding both the proteins (or protein-nucleic acid) together if you get crystals of the mixture. I therefore think that the measurements are useful in that sense. However, low Kd does not necessarily mean that you get th

Re: [ccp4bb] Binding constants/kinetics for crystallisation

2012-12-07 Thread Enrico Stura
Dear Roger, I disagree with Ganesh. Knowing the stoichiometry is not necessary. Stoichiometry may need adjusting to reflect the relative solubility of the interacting partners under the various crystallization conditions. See also: Stura, E.A., Graille, M., Taussig, M.J., Sutton, B.J. Gore,

Re: [ccp4bb] Binding constants/kinetics for crystallisation

2012-12-07 Thread Ganesh Natrajan
Dear Roger, In my humble opinion, the qualitative knowledge that the complex actually forms (established through pull down assays, gel filtration etc) is probably far more important than the Kd values in solution. In any case, the crystallization is done at very high concentrations, far abov

[ccp4bb] Binding constants/kinetics for crystallisation

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Pickman
Dear all - is there a rule of thumb for favourable values of Kd, kon and koff of protein-protein or protein-dna complexes for protein crystallisation? Are these measurements useful in crystallisation, or should one just put it down a gel filtration column, hope for a complex and not worry? If an

[ccp4bb] 2013 CCP-BIOSIM ANNUAL CONFERENCE: Frontiers of Biomolecular Simulation

2012-12-07 Thread Martyn Winn
Registration is now open for the second annual meeting of CCP-BioSim "Frontiers of Biomolecular Simulation" at the University of Nottingham, Monday 25th to Wednesday 27th March 2013. The meeting is open to all - registration provides free membership of CCP-BioSim. * Invited Speakers: Alessio Ci

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] The information of shelxc_fa.lst

2012-12-07 Thread Wei Feng
Dear professor George Sheldrick, Thank you very much for your prompt and patient reply. I think I can solve my problem now. Thanks again! Best regard! Ding wei At 2012-12-07 19:14:46,"George Sheldrick" wrote: Dear Ding Wei, The Patterson function is discussed in most crystallographic text b

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 - Coot in Applications - Solved

2012-12-07 Thread Antony Oliver
Ok - problem resolved. Would appear to be a problem with X11 on our current system image. Installing Xquartz 2.7.4 (http://xquartz.macosforge.org) and replacing the default X11 from Apple - seems to have cured all ills. Many thanks to Bill Scott, Nat Echols and Charles Ballard for their off-l

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread VAN RAAIJ , MARK JOHAN
perhaps a second table in which certain statistics (Rsym, I/sigma, CC0.5) are given as a function of, say, 10 bins of resolution would be more useful than the same table twice at different resolution cutoffs. then editors, reviewers and ultimately readers can decide for themselves what resolu

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Douglas, Using two Table Is is a good way to show the difference between the two cut-offs, but I assume you will only discuss one of the models in your paper. IMO you only need to deposit the high res model, so there should be no problems with resolution conflicts in the PDB file. The annotator

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi, I'm sure Kay will have something to say about this but I think the idea of the K & K paper was to introduce new (more objective) standards for deciding on the resolution, so I don't see why another table is needed. Cheers,           Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Dept. of Life Sciences Ben

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] The information of shelxc_fa.lst

2012-12-07 Thread George Sheldrick
Dear Ding Wei, The Patterson function is discussed in most crystallographic text books. I recommend the IUCr text by Giacovazzo et al., "Fundamentals of Crystallography" starting about page 423 in the third edition for a detailed discussion. If you just require a sorted peak list, shelxd is a

Re: [ccp4bb] simulated annealing omit map

2012-12-07 Thread Chen, Yu Wai
On 07/12/2012 10:43, Appu kumar wrote: Dear Users, I am refining a enzyme structure with ligand. I want to make the simulated annealing omit map of ligand including with 4 Angestron radius around the ligand. I am seeking your valuable advice to help me out. I know how

[ccp4bb] simulated annealing omit map

2012-12-07 Thread Appu kumar
Dear Users, I am refining a enzyme structure with ligand. I want to make the simulated annealing omit map of ligand including with 4 Angestron radius around the ligand. I am seeking your valuable advice to help me out. I know how to make omit map but i have not come accross

Re: [ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong Spacegroup

2012-12-07 Thread Randy Read
Dear Yurong, I just wanted to check that you're using an up-to-date version of Phaser, which will account for the presence of translational NCS (tNCS). With older versions of Phaser, you could get apparent solutions that were incorrect but would give a high LLG just because they satisfied the

[ccp4bb] The patterson peaks outputted by shelxd

2012-12-07 Thread Wei Feng
Dear all, Can everyone tell me the patterson peaks outputted by shelxd (see below) are calculated by which formula and software? Thank you very much! Ding wei shelxc_fa.lst: Patterson (* indicates vector selected for search) X Y ZHeight Mult Length 0. 0. 0.00