Re: [ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-11-30 Thread vellieux
Hello, What about the enantiomorphic space groups (the 4(3) screw axes instead of the 4(1) screw axes) ? These cannot be distinguised on the basis of structure factor amplitudes (unless you have an anomalous scatterer) nor on the basis of the specific extinctions (both screw axes extinguish th

Re: [ccp4bb] To cryo or not to cryo...

2012-11-30 Thread Jens Kaiser
Yuri, I would try to preserve as much of the crystal to use it to seed. I have first hand knowledge of at least three projects that had a haphazardly grown crystal being crucial as a seeding source for the completion of the project. So, option I) (and option safe, and what I would do if there

Re: [ccp4bb] The information of shelxc_fa.lst

2012-11-30 Thread Wei Feng
Thanks a lot! Dingwei At 2012-11-30 17:32:50,"George Sheldrick" wrote: That is a list of the strongest Patterson peaks, the ones marked with '*' are used as translation search vectors to kick-start the heavy atom location. x,y,z are the crystal coordinates of the peaks, height is the peak

Re: [ccp4bb] To cryo or not to cryo... Mothe

2012-11-30 Thread Bosch, Juergen
I collected on 20% and 25% PEG4000 the trick though was small crystals (<100µm longest dimension) so the liquid can freeze (is that the right word, considering the 80+ thread we recently had) fast by plunging the mounted crystal into liquid nitrogen. A faint ice ring was still visible but didn't

Re: [ccp4bb] To cryo or not to cryo... Mothe

2012-11-30 Thread Jackie Vitali
I would try your motherl liquor augmented with 10 per cent PEG 400 hoping for the best. Better yet mount your crystal inside a capillary like old times & measure room temp data. At least you have something for sure. Finally I have heard (never did it) that if you do not have air on top of you

Re: [ccp4bb] To cryo or not to cryo...

2012-11-30 Thread Jim Pflugrath
Suggestion: What does your plunge of a loopful of the buffer (no crystal) into liquid nitrogen tell you? From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Yuri Pompeu [yuri.pom...@ufl.edu] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:22 PM To: CCP4BB@JI

Re: [ccp4bb] To cryo or not to cryo...

2012-11-30 Thread Grishin, Andrey
Dear Yuri, I tried parathone oil once, and I can tell, that you need to be experienced in using it, so if you have some other crystals, you should get practice with them first. As for your crystal: shoot upon the matrix solvent first, and you will know is there are ice-rings or not . If yes, I

Re: [ccp4bb] To cryo or not to cryo...

2012-11-30 Thread Marc Kvansakul
Dear Yuri, I am a big fan of paratone oil (or similar oils) for freezing the "holy" crystal. The only drawback is that after you have frozen it in the oil its a little bit hard to recover the crystal if you want to seed from it, as its somewhat sticky... Best of luck! Marc Dr. Marc Kvansakul

[ccp4bb] To cryo or not to cryo...

2012-11-30 Thread Yuri Pompeu
Dear community, I have what seems to be a pretty decent single crystal that grew from a screen set up 2 weeks ago. I am trying to reproduce it but so far I have not succeeded. I am however afraid the crystal that did form will start to deteriorate. So this brings me to dilemma, I feel like I sho

[ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-11-30 Thread ruisher hu
Hi, Dear CCP4 group, I recently collect one dataset and indexed as P4 space group. When I try to do MR with a tetramer as input, I found the solution file suggested P41. SOLU SET RFZ=5.2 TFZ=10.3 PAK=0 LLG=239 LLG=366 TFZ==20.9 SOLU SPAC P 41 SOLU 6DIM ENSE ensemble1 EULER 50.265 0.217 219.800

Re: [ccp4bb] Izit dye stained crystal

2012-11-30 Thread Richard Gillilan
Yes, that's the one I remember! Thanks Richard On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Prince, D Bryan wrote: Are you referring to the I3C magic phasing triangle by any chance? Beck, et al Acta Cryst D 61(?) (2008) is the reference I think. Good luck! Bryan Confide

Re: [ccp4bb] Izit dye stained crystal

2012-11-30 Thread Prince, D Bryan
Are you referring to the I3C magic phasing triangle by any chance? Beck, et al Acta Cryst D 61(?) (2008) is the reference I think. Good luck! Bryan From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Richard Gillilan Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:21 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMA

Re: [ccp4bb] Izit dye stained crystal

2012-11-30 Thread Scott Thomas Walsh
Hi Sarathy, What does the density modified electron density map after phasing from either autoSHARP or Phenix? Can the auto building programs build protein chains into this map? Cheers, Scott On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Sarathy Karunan Partha mailto:sarathyus...@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear all

Re: [ccp4bb] Izit dye stained crystal

2012-11-30 Thread Sarathy Karunan Partha
Dear all, Here is the XSCALE.LP output after scaling for the izit dye stained crystak. Sorry for attaching the .INP file. Sarathy On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Sarathy Karunan Partha < sarathyus...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > > > We did some Izit dye staining to test our crystal (salt

Re: [ccp4bb] Izit dye stained crystal

2012-11-30 Thread Richard Gillilan
We've found that high PEG concentration seems to compete with dye binding, so I'm not surprised your didn't see good uptake. I doubt the anomalous signal is from the dye ... if you calculate the molar dye concentration you would need to have significant occupancy in the lattice, you'll probably

Re: [ccp4bb] Izit dye stained crystal

2012-11-30 Thread David Briggs
Hi Sarathy, Are you sure your anomalous scatterers are not the Ca in the crystallisation buffer? These would also bind to the acidic residues in your protein, and Ca has a greater f'' (~2.5e compared to less than 1.5e for S) at the wavelength you used. Just another possibility - unless you alread

[ccp4bb] Izit dye stained crystal

2012-11-30 Thread Sarathy Karunan Partha
Dear all, We did some Izit dye staining to test our crystal (salt or protein) and we observed that the crystal didn’t take up the dye well. But, showed nice protein diffraction (home source KCr 2.2909 A) and we collected a dataset (360 frames, 1o osc, 5 min exposure) on this dye stained crystal.

Re: [ccp4bb] yellow protein

2012-11-30 Thread Edward A. Berry
Maybe low-spin, ferric cytochrome? 420 would be the soret peak and 520 the alpha+beta peaks which are very broad in the oxidized form. Add a little dithionite or ascorbate and see if the soret peak shifts to longer wavelength and the alpha peak sharpens up at 550-560 nm Grishin, Andrey wrote: D

Re: [ccp4bb] yellow protein

2012-11-30 Thread Shane Caldwell
Hi Andrey, Are you sure it's not PLP? To me that looks like you have confounding aggregation, and PLP in two forms, perhaps only partly incorporated when considering your protein absorbance. Check out the spectra in the paper: Turning pyridoxal-5'-phosphate-dependent enzymes into thermostable bin

[ccp4bb] yellow protein

2012-11-30 Thread Grishin, Andrey
Dear CCP4bb users, this problem was already discussed many times here and I've read these discussions before writing. I have a pale yellow protein. The spectrum contains peaks at 320 and 420. Before we proceed to ICP-OES and wavelength scans at the synchrotron, may be some of you had a similar

Re: [ccp4bb] Mg++ interactions

2012-11-30 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 21:46 -0800, William G. Scott wrote: > Are Mg++ ions ever observed to chelate primary amines? MESPEUS reports, for example, 13 structure where magnesium is coordinated by a lysine. 7 with arginines and a bunch of asn/gln side chains as well. It does not prove, of course, th

Re: [ccp4bb] Coot. Problems with bonds and angles regularization

2012-11-30 Thread Paul Emsley
On 30/11/12 10:05, Almudena Ponce Salvatierra wrote: I would like to know if it is possible to use either the "real space refine zone" or the "regularize zone" tools just between two atoms in a cofactor molecule. Do you mean by that that you don't want the other atoms to move? Yes, you can

[ccp4bb] PhD position available, University of Freiburg/Diamond Light Source

2012-11-30 Thread ralf . flaig
Dear colleagues, applications are invited for a joint international PhD position between the University of Freiburg (Germany) and Diamond Light Source (UK). Could you please bring this to the attention of interested candidates. Best regards, Ralf --- PhD position available Structural and fu

[ccp4bb] Coot. Problems with bonds and angles regularization

2012-11-30 Thread Almudena Ponce Salvatierra
Dear all, I would like to know if it is possible to use either the "real space refine zone" or the "regularize zone" tools just between two atoms in a cofactor molecule. It works perfectly between two atoms when I use it on the protein, but it doesn't when I try to modellate the cofactor. Instead

Re: [ccp4bb] The information of shelxc_fa.lst

2012-11-30 Thread George Sheldrick
That is a list of the strongest Patterson peaks, the ones marked with '*' are used as translation search vectors to kick-start the heavy atom location. x,y,z are the crystal coordinates of the peaks, height is the peak height, mult indicates how the peaks have coalesced because they are on speci

[ccp4bb] The information of shelxc_fa.lst

2012-11-30 Thread Wei Feng
Dear all, When I used shelxc/d/e to locate the Se atoms in a protein, I found an output file "shelxc_fa.lst". Does anyone can tell me the meaning of the indicates in shelxc_fa.lst (red word): Thanks a lot! Ding wei shelxc_fa.lst: Patterson (* indicates vector selected for search) X Y