Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Jens Kaiser
Hello, Kay is absolutely right. Just to make this clear: We all know that in many cases, you start out with poor phases (i.e. a weak SIR/MIR/MAD or a borderline replacement model) and your density is "modest". The prudent thing to do at this stage is, to build only things you trust and have a loo

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 4/10/2012 10:44 PM, Kay Diederichs wrote: Hi Dale, my experience is that high-B regions may become "visible" in maps only late in refinement. So my answer to the original poster would be - "both global reciprocal-space (phase quality) and local real-space (high mobility) features contribute

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Dale, my experience is that high-B regions may become "visible" in maps only late in refinement. So my answer to the original poster would be - "both global reciprocal-space (phase quality) and local real-space (high mobility) features contribute to a region not appearing ordered in the map"

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Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
Dear Gerard, No, the updated model (4BCL) was published in 1993 (although apparently not deposited until 1998 - What was wrong with me?) Both were refined with that classic least-squares program TNT. I hope there was some improvement in the software between 1986 and 1993, and I always tried t

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Dale, There is perhaps a third factor in the progress you were able to make, namely the improvement in the refinement programs. Your first results were probably obtained with a least-squares-based program, while the more recent would have come from maximum-likelihood-based ones. The diff

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Francis E Reyes
Dale Thank you for the case study. I will certainly remember it when I next see: > "I don't see density for these atoms therefore they must be > disordered." You do mention though, that when you were able to assign the sequence to the beta sheets, that the loop regions became clear. I conside

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
The phases do have effects all over the unit cell but that does not prevent them from constructively and destructively interfering with one another in particular locations. Some years ago I refined a model of the bacteriochlorophyll containing protein to a 1.9 A data set when the sequence of th

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Francis, the phases calculated from the model affect the whole unit cell hence it is more likely this is real(-space, local) disorder rather than poor phases. Regards, Tim P.S.: The author should not look at an 2fofc-map but a sigma-A-weighted

[ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Francis E Reyes
Hi all, Assume that the diffraction resolution is low (say 3.0A or worse) and the model (a high resolution homologue, from 2A xray data is available) was docked into experimental phases (say 4A or worse) and extended to the 3.0A data using refinement (the high resolution model as a source of re

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac executables - win vs linux in RHEL VM

2012-04-10 Thread Marcin Wojdyr
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 08:42:47AM -0700, Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) wrote: > Something the developers might be interested in: > > The Refmac_5.6.0117 32-bit windows binaries run native on a win64 3-4x > slower than > those from the linux distribution run Thanks for benchmarking. If

[ccp4bb] Instruct-NL Workshop on Wednesday April 25, 2012, in Leiden, the Netherlands

2012-04-10 Thread Raimond Ravelli
Dear Colleague, INSTRUCT-NL organize a one-day Instruct Workshop which will be on Wednesday April 25, 2012, in Leiden, the Netherlands, with as theme Developments in Structural Biology: Instruct meets industry The program can be found at http://www.structuralbiology.eu/support/whats-on/calenda