Re: [ccp4bb] sudden drop in R/Rfree

2012-03-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
No comments on much of your message but I cannot believe you can get better results by cutting anisotropic 2.1A data to 3.3A!! You MUST be throwing away valuable experimental information,, remember crystallography is not about getting low R factors but about getting a model consistent with you

Re: [ccp4bb] B average lower than Wilson

2012-03-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Not an answer, but if you look at the Wilson plot after scala or truncate, you can see how good the estimate is - at 3A those can be pretty awful Eleanot On Mar 5 2012, anna anna wrote: Dear all, I hope you can help me! I solved a structure at 3.0 A res and everything is quite satisfactory, m

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Pavel Afonine
Dear Tim, good catch, thanks; I could craft that phrase more carefully! Although often it may not be quite fair to take phrases out of context: this newsletter article was written in the context of macromolecular refinement. And yes, "recently" may be a broad term -:) All the best, Pavel On Mon,

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Pavel, you may want to add to the structures mentioned in [1] one or two organic structures present in the Cambridge Database. "Until recently it was customary to ignore hydrogen atoms throughout the process of crystallographic X-­‐ray structure

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi, On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Matthew Franklin wrote: > Adding the riding hydrogens generally gives you some improvement in R > factors even with a good quality (i.e. stereochemically correct) model. > and here are the results of more or less systematic test that prove this: see "On cont

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Garib N Murshudov
On the interface under Refinement Parameters there are three options 1) Use if present 2) Do not use 3) Generate all if you are using script then default is generate all (add them riding positions). You can switch to other options: make hydr all# generate all - default option make hydr yes #

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Matthew Franklin
Hi Paul - Refmac does indeed add riding hydrogens by default; see here: http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/refmac5/keywords/restraints.html#makecif The REMARK 3 is referring to what you think it is: riding hydrogens have been added. (They are not, however, written to the output file unless you

[ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Paul Smith
Hello CCP4 community, I'm posting at large regarding a previously raised issue for REFMAC for which I cannot find the conclusion in the old threads. Specifically, does REFMAC add riding hydrogens during default refinement? Though I've not requested that any hydrogens be added, only used if in t

Re: [ccp4bb] sudden drop in R/Rfree

2012-03-05 Thread Rajesh kumar
Dear All, Thanks for all the suggestion. Data is anisotropic. Since anisotropic correction with the UCLA server didnt give any good Molprobity scores and didnt reduce the R/Rfree at 2.1A, I am using ~3.3A data for further refinement. Using Tom's suggestion of target restrains reduced the gap b

Re: [ccp4bb] B average lower than Wilson

2012-03-05 Thread anna anna
Dear all, thanks for help! I'm using Refmac without TLS. Tim's explanation is pretty convincing to me. My data have no ice rings compromising the extimation of I, but the map, is more defined then I expect at 3 A resolution, so a "low" average B seems consistent. Which can be other causes for lim

Re: [ccp4bb] B average lower than Wilson

2012-03-05 Thread Pius Padayatti
Hi, Please see a similar thread at ccp4bb earlier at the following link http://www.proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message16011.html Padayatti 2012/3/5 anna anna : > Dear all, I hope you can help me! > I solved a structure at 3.0 A res and everything is quite satisfactory, my > only concern is

Re: [ccp4bb] B average lower than Wilson

2012-03-05 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear , the Wilson plot is only meaningful with data better than 4A. Since your data extends to only 3A (and according to your I/sig(I) stats you pushed that limit a little...), you may have too little data for a good fit. That's only one possibil

[ccp4bb] B average lower than Wilson

2012-03-05 Thread anna anna
Dear all, I hope you can help me! I solved a structure at 3.0 A res and everything is quite satisfactory, my only concern is the discrepancy between the B factor from Wilson plot (58.8 A^2) and the average B (36.9). It seems strange, usually the opposite occurs... What does it mean? Which may be th

[ccp4bb] Diamond MX BAG Training - April 2012

2012-03-05 Thread James Nicholson
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