Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-06 Thread James M Holton
You mean something like the animation at the top of this web page? http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/fastBragg/ This program is a relative of nearBragg, which Dale already mentioned. -James Holton MAD Scientist On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: > Actually, as a way to make this

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
This may give some idea: Illustration of a molecule and its cosine transform: http://www.ruppweb.org/garland/gallery/Ch6/pages/Biomolecular_Crystallograph y_Fig_6-16.htm and sampled by lattice points http://www.ruppweb.org/garland/gallery/Ch6/pages/Biomolecular_Crystallograph y_Fig_6-01_PART3.h

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, January 06, 2012 11:15:11 am Ed Pozharski wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 10:48 -0800, Ethan Merritt wrote: > > > > A TLS model is more likely to be appropriate. > > A quick clarification request if I may: > > We all seen how well the multi-group TLS models seem to match the > B-factor

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 10:48 -0800, Ethan Merritt wrote: > A TLS model is more likely to be > appropriate. > A quick clarification request if I may: We all seen how well the multi-group TLS models seem to match the B-factor variation along the chain. Is this in your opinion how such model may be

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, January 06, 2012 09:30:22 am Nat Echols wrote: > 2012/1/6 Pete Meyer : > > However, at 3.2 Angstroms I'd recommend against using atomic B-factors - > > the "rule of thumb" for this is 2.8 Angstroms for atomic B-factors (or > > at least it was back in the day). �It might help to use an ov

Re: [ccp4bb] At what resolution is (individual,group,one per residue, two per residue) appropriate? was Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Pavel Afonine
Francis, One common response is "try a number of different B-factor refinement > protocols, use Rfree as a guide to determine which one is appropriate". I recognize my advice along those lines above -:) Although now I would say (assuming phenix.refine): "Try individual ADP refinement first, and

Re: [ccp4bb] At what resolution is (individual,group,one per residue, two per residue) appropriate? was Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 11:18 -0700, Francis E Reyes wrote: > I've seen the following question asked: At what resolution is > (individual,group,one per residue, two per residue,overall) > appropriate? My personal opinion is that the individual B-factor refinement with restraints proper to the resol

[ccp4bb] At what resolution is (individual,group,one per residue, two per residue) appropriate? was Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Francis E Reyes
Pete brings out two concerns: [1] B-factor refinement being stable, [2] over-fitting at low resolutions. Here I'll suggest low resolution to be in the 3-4A range. I've seen the following question asked: At what resolution is (individual,group,one per residue, two per residue,overall) appropr

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Pavel Afonine
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Pete Meyer wrote: > > Thanks for pointing this out to me - I'll have to check out the details of > how phenix handles it, and give it a try. > Details can be found here: http://www.phenix-online.org/presentations/latest/pavel_refinement_general.pdf (page 61 and a

Re: [ccp4bb] ARCIMBALDO Sample Script

2012-01-06 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 09:56:11AM -0800, john peter wrote: > Hello CCP4BBers: > > Could some body send me a sample script to run ARCIMBALDO, the ab > initio protein structure determination software. Thanks a lot. That would be a violation of the license agreement (oh noes!). You can request a

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-06 Thread Dale Tronrud
James Holton has software for calculating molecule transform images. Check out http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/nearBragg/. The program doesn't read PDB format coordinates, just lists of three numbers. Dale Tronrud On 01/06/12 09:44, Jacob Keller wrote: > Actually, as a way to make this type

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Pete Meyer
This may be true for older software which restraints B-factors only to bonded atoms, but it is not the case in Phenix*, which takes into account all nearby atoms, not just bonded ones. The result is that individual B-factor refinement is very stable at low resolution - we don't know what the lim

[ccp4bb] ARCIMBALDO Sample Script

2012-01-06 Thread john peter
Hello CCP4BBers: Could some body send me a sample script to run ARCIMBALDO, the ab initio protein structure determination software. Thanks a lot. John

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-06 Thread Jacob Keller
Actually, as a way to make this type of figure, I think there are programs which output simulated diffraction images, so perhaps I could just input a .pdb file with some really huge (fake) cell parameters (10,000 Ang?), and then the resulting spots would be really close together and approximate the

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Yuri Pompeu
correction: You should NOT have Rwork>Rfree

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Yuri Pompeu
First thing I would try to shoot more crystals. Easy way out. I once struggled with a 2.7A data set for weeks only to find out I had a 1.5A diffracting crystal taking a bath in some storage buffer right next to my bench. You mention you have at this point you are looking at 25% rotamer outliers.

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Nat Echols
2012/1/6 Pete Meyer : > However, at 3.2 Angstroms I'd recommend against using atomic B-factors - > the "rule of thumb" for this is 2.8 Angstroms for atomic B-factors (or > at least it was back in the day).  It might help to use an overall > B-factor combined with one (or a few) TLS groups. This ma

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Pete Meyer
As others have mentioned, your geometry/x-ray weight may need to be adjusted. However, at 3.2 Angstroms I'd recommend against using atomic B-factors - the "rule of thumb" for this is 2.8 Angstroms for atomic B-factors (or at least it was back in the day). It might help to use an overall B-factor

Re: [ccp4bb] live streaming of ccp4 study weekend

2012-01-06 Thread Yuri Pompeu
I also had some trouble streaming live. So I am going to go ahead and also suggest/ask please that the video files be made available for subscribers and/or all academic users. Cheers,

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement of protein/DNA complex

2012-01-06 Thread Wei Shi
Hi all, I have been trying to solve a protein-DNA complex structure using molecular replacement. I suspect two copies of protein bind one piece of the DNA, and the angle between the two copies of protein is somewhere between 130 to 180 degrees. I could get molecular replacement solution using a se

[ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-06 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, has anyone come across a figure showing a normal diffraction image, and then next to it the equivalent molecular transform, perhaps with one image as phases and one as amplitudes? Seems like it would be a very instructional slide to have to explain how crystallography works

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Ed Pozharski
> and R-factor/R-free have a value of 0.328/0.326. Notice that Rfree The question is, as I only have ~3000 reflections, and the atoms in > the sequence is around 1000, and each atom there are 4 parameters to > be refined(X,Y,Z,B-factor, assuming occupancy is 1), so how to refine > my model to avoi

Re: [ccp4bb] how to improve resolution

2012-01-06 Thread Cale Dakwar
Hello Lisa, Could the 10-20A be a result of cryo damage as opposed to true packing disorder? (try collecting a few images at room remp) If its cryo damage, improve your cryo / try different cryoprotectants. If its not cryo, just screen about a thousand different crystals from around the same co

Re: [ccp4bb] chirality problem

2012-01-06 Thread Katherine Sippel
Incidentally the PDB validation server will spit out similar errors if you have hydrogens on lysine side chains (also not a chiral center) should they get swapped upon regularization during refinement. It makes the chemist in me cringe a little bit. Katherine On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Robbi

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution of DNA binding protein

2012-01-06 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 20:40 +0800, LISA wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a DNA binding protein. I get crystals of this protein by > co-crystallization with different dsDNAs. But all the crystals have > very poor resolution, about 10-20A. I tried to purify protein-DNA > complex before setting trays, but

[ccp4bb] Congratulations to the TALE structure authors

2012-01-06 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Hi, I would like to bethe first in this forum to congratulate the authors of the two papers describing TAL effector structures! Way to go! Artem

[ccp4bb] EBI and PDBe services temporarily unavailable

2012-01-06 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Due to an as yet unspecified "explosion in a network duct in London", the EBI in Hinxton (where all PDBe services, including deposition, are hosted) is currently cut-off from its London data centres (through which all EBI web and ftp traffic is routed). At present, it looks like normal PDBe serv

[ccp4bb] how to improve resolution

2012-01-06 Thread LISA
Hi all, I have a DNA binding protein. I get crystals of this protein by co-crystallization with different dsDNAs. But all the crystals have very poor resolution, about 10-20A. I tried to purify protein-DNA complex before setting trays, but it didn't work.The shape of my crystal is not bad. Please

Re: [ccp4bb] chirality problem

2012-01-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Afshan, I assumed, because you mentioned only VAL and LEU, that you were refering to the CB (VAL) and CG (LEU) as problematic chiral centers. Paul is right that these atoms are not chiral in a chemical sense, but they are in a computational sense because every connected atom has a unique n

Re: [ccp4bb] live streaming of ccp4 study weekend

2012-01-06 Thread David Briggs
Charles I would like to echo what Keitaro suggested - can the archieves of the talks be made available after ccp4we? Dave David C. Briggs PhD Father, Structural Biologist and Sceptic University of Manchester E-mail: david.c.bri...@manchest

Re: [ccp4bb] live streaming of ccp4 study weekend

2012-01-06 Thread Keitaro Yamashita
Dear Charles, Internet Explorer and VLC player (thanks, Francis) work for me, but the streaming stops every few minutes in both ways. The website should be reloaded each time. I would be very happy if video archives of talks are available on the web! Thank you for your consideration, Keitaro

[ccp4bb] low resolution of DNA binding protein

2012-01-06 Thread LISA
Hi all, I have a DNA binding protein. I get crystals of this protein by co-crystallization with different dsDNAs. But all the crystals have very poor resolution, about 10-20A. I tried to purify protein-DNA complex before setting trays, but it didn't work. Please give me some suggestion. Thanks. l

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Zhiyi Wei
Hi Yuan, Bad geometry is a general issue for most low resolution structure refinement. There are quite a lot papers discussing it. I think you can try to set a reference structure or set high restrain in refinement, which should be easily achieved in Phenix. How did you know the B-factors are too

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi, You are touching upon several issues here. The first question to ask is how good and complete are your data to 3.2 A resolution. This should be your first concern. Are they the best you can get at this stage? Second, you're absolutely correct in that there is a lot more to do to impr

Re: [ccp4bb] chirality problem

2012-01-06 Thread Paul Emsley
Hi Afshan, This is not the solution if you are right about the problem being one of chirality (and it is if it is not and is merely an issue of nomenclature (as I suspect is the case)). So the question is, if the problem is indeed one of nomenclature, what software (if any) described it as a

[ccp4bb] Dialysis Buttons

2012-01-06 Thread Ulrike Demmer
Dear crystallographers, does anyone know if dialysis buttons for crystallization are available somewhere in Europe or only at Hampton Research ? Thanks, Ulrike

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread 商元
Also, there is one more information I forgot to mention---I also have the NMR assignment(HNCACB spectrum) of the protein, is it possible to combine the NMR data in my refinement? Regards, On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:14 PM, 商元 wrote: > Dear All, >I have a set of 3.2A data containing only 3000 r

[ccp4bb] Structure Determination combining X-ray Data and NMR

2012-01-06 Thread 商元
Dear All, I have a set of 3.2A data containing only 3000 reflections. From the SAD phasing and iterative modeling and density modification, I get a preliminary structure with bad geometric conformations(~8/160 ramachandran outliers in Coot). After Phenix MLHL refinement, the geometry is still ba