Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Jacob Wong
Dear all, thank you so much for all the invaluable tips that were delivered faster than FedEx (and sorry for not being able to reply to individual emails). My problem was resolved by adding EDTA (to about 5 mM), spinning down at 15K for 10min to get rid of precipitation (I did have some even with t

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom soaking

2008-02-15 Thread Tim Gruene
Could you try a quick (10-15s) halide soak (Iodine) with e.g. 1M NaI? Tim -- Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, john peter wrote: Dear Folks, I recently grew crystals in the presence of 100 mM Imidazole pH

Re: [ccp4bb] crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Antony Oliver
Firstly - please forgive my last 'blank' message - comes of trying to e-mail whilst travelling on a train! I would suggest that you change the affinity tag that you're purifying with. Go with either a GST or Strep-tag. That way you are avoiding the imidazole that is obviously causing problems wi

Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Chun Luo
Hi There is a nice article by PSI in Nature Methods (http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v5/n2/abs/nmeth.f.202.html) about the generic buffers for Ni column. The article or the magazine issue is a very good reference even if you don't like those throughput guys. One minor detail, the imidazole st

[ccp4bb] Heavy atom soaking

2008-02-15 Thread john peter
Dear Folks, I recently grew crystals in the presence of 100 mM Imidazole pH 8.0 and 1 M Ammonium Phosphate. The protein was in 25 mM Hepes pH 7.4, 10 mM EDTA, 10 mM EGTA and 100 mM NaCl. I like to make heavy atom derivatives with Hg, Pt, Sm, Au and Pb compounds. I think the imidazole will inter

Re: [ccp4bb] crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Antony Oliver
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Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread R.M. Garavito
Jacob, This is not a uncommon problem with Ni-chelation chromatography (on Ni-NTA or Talon) with soluble and membrane proteins. In most of my experiences, it is a salt problem (i.e., too little), but hydrophobicity issues abound, as well. On a pilot scale, just add any of the suggested a

Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Mathews, Irimpan
Hi Jacob, You could try keeping some inhibitor or other small molecules that could bind to the protein in the test tube. This may help stabilizing the protein as soon as it comes out of the column. One of my friends had to use an inhibitor during the whole purification procedure (luckily this

Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Valerie Guillet
Hi, I also encounterd the same kind of problem with my protein. I noticed that the protein eluted from Ni-NTA with 150mM imidazole or 300mM didn't behave in the same manner; ie on gel filtration experiments, the 300mM eluate totally came in the excluded volume while the 150mM eluate came in t

Re: [ccp4bb] counting constraints?

2008-02-15 Thread Bart Hazes
Another much simpler (too simple?) way to approach this is that the number of parameters is: Ntorsions + Nbvalues + Nplacement*Nmonomers Nmonomers is the number of monomers in the asymmetric unit and Nplacement is the number of parameters needed to place each monomer, so 6 for the general cas

Re: [ccp4bb] crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Juergen Bosch
Not sure if somebody mentioned it already, but have you played with other buffers than the recommended sodium phosphate from the manual ? Most lazy people use Tris because there's a 1 M stock solution - but you can try also other buffers as long as you stay in a pH range >pH6 Of course you sti

[ccp4bb] crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Juliana Barbosa Coitinho
Dear all, I am with the same problem of Jacob. My protein is precipitating, especially when I 'freeze it'. I am using a His Trap HP column coupled with a desalting column. Already tried to elute with gradient of imidazole (that allowed an elution with less amount of imidazole), but even then, t

[ccp4bb] practical protein crystallization courses

2008-02-15 Thread mesters
If You are interested in practical protein crystallization courses, have a look at the following link: http://www.iobcr.org/science.html J. -- Jeroen Raymundus Mesters, Ph.D. Institut fuer Biochemie, Universitaet zu Luebeck Zentrum fuer Medizinische Struktur und Zellbiologie Ratzeburger Allee

Re: [ccp4bb] counting constraints?

2008-02-15 Thread Ian Tickle
Bernhard Sorry I left out chiral restraints: these do not contribute to the restraint count at all because they do not reduce the effective no of parameters, they merely select between 2 alternative minima. As you say the magnitude of the chiral volume (though obviously not the sign) is completel

Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Jacob, You can try several things, including the stuff already mentioned by others - EDTA, salt, etc. A very useful option to keep in mind is to check that excess imidazole isn't causing the problem. You can find out by simply diluting the fractions down, or by changing the resin. His-SELECT an

Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread Tommi Kajander
first aid panic rescue might be to quickly add more salt. (e.g. in couple of steps to 0.5 M-1 M NaCl and see if it clears up). then add EDTA/or/and dialyse. (have to get teh salt out probably...) the Ni-ions leaking out are a likely cause. among others. tommi Quoting José Trincão <[EMAIL P

Re: [ccp4bb] counting constraints?

2008-02-15 Thread Ian Tickle
To try and answer Peter & Bernhard's questions in one go: one way of looking at counting restraints is to think of it in terms of the reduction in the effective number of parameters that it's equivalent to. So a bond length restraint is equivalent to reducing the 8 parameters for 2 bonded atoms by

Re: [ccp4bb] rescuing crashing-out protein eluted from Nickel column

2008-02-15 Thread José Trincão
Hi Jacob, try adding a bit of edta (1mM) to remove any Ni that might come off the column. You could also add some DTT or bME to keep cysteines reduced (careful, add only after the edta!). In my experience the gradient did not work very weel because the protein with have a lot of impurities. Yo