2009/5/11 Mark Polesky :
> If different stem lengths for the same note bothers
> you, realize that the complexities of typesetting
> beams demand that stem lengths vary, often greatly.
Although I can't say I've understood all of this interesting (albeit
technical) discussion, it seems that the sub
Pekka Siponen wrote:
> Here is some more bad typography from major publishers.
> All of them have it.
Have what?
Werner was referring to the small white triangles
when he said "bad typography". Of the five examples
you've submitted, only the Grieg and the Pierné
have that problem.
If different
Here is some more bad typography from major publishers. All of them have it.
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> I don't feel that it is important to consider the plate printing
> dilemmas in computer output. My intention was to show the repeated
> notes, only the stem lenghts, not to imply that the example is
> extraordinary typography. I can see that the stems are the same
emmas in computer output. My intention was to show the repeated
notes, only the stem lenghts, not to imply that the example is
extraordinary typography. I can see that the stems are the same lenght
when the notes are repeated. But then again I got my new glasses last
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Mark Polesky wrote:
> And this is exactly the problem with the default LilyPond
> output - small white triangles. See the attachment in my
> previous post:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2009-05/pngbNqzog15lv.png
>
> Perhaps we could add a patch
Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> defects, for example the second and last beam, both presenting those
> small white triangles which should *never* be present in former times
> since they can be flooded with ink as soon as the printing plate gets
> used a bit.
And this is exactly the problem with the defa
> My point is that the stem lenghts should lead the eye: if the note
> goes down the stem goes down, if the note stays the same the stem
> stays the same. Ross book maybe a good starting point to this.
Noone is questioning this.
> My original example would be fine if the phrase
My point is that the stem lenghts should lead the eye: if the note goes
down the stem goes down, if the note stays the same the stem stays the
same. Ross book maybe a good starting point to this.
My original example would be fine if the phrase ended on the first beat,
but it is supposed to
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Mark Polesky wrote:
>
> Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
>> The rules in Ross' books are guidelines, and they certainly don't
>
>> cover all the cases.
>
> Yes, but what about the too-short stem on the
> middle-line note:
It could be that there is a bug; there is some logi
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>> LilyPond does not use a hardcoded set of rules; rather, it tries to
>> score different configurations, and pick the one with the best
>> scores. This is a technique that works much better than hardcoding
>> different rules, but in some cas
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> The rules in Ross' books are guidelines, and they certainly don't
> cover all the cases.
Yes, but what about the too-short stem on the
middle-line note:
> Your assertion that the 4th beat stem is too short
> is supported by Ted Ross, who says on p.85 that the
> downward
> LilyPond does not use a hardcoded set of rules; rather, it tries to
> score different configurations, and pick the one with the best
> scores. This is a technique that works much better than hardcoding
> different rules, but in some cases there are small divergences with
> the 'prescribed' quant
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Mark Polesky wrote:
> As far as implementing this, I have no idea. I
> don't know how LilyPond is set up to calculate
> these things, and I imagine making changes of this
> sort would be quite involved. I'll leave that to
> the developers.
The rules in Ross' books
Mark Polesky wrote:
> Pekka Siponen wrote:
> > Also the stem lengths on the third and fourth
> > beat should be the same. The third beat stems
> > are a little too long and the fourth beat stem
> > is too short. Attached is the lilypond output.
>
> I will look into this. What source are you usin
Pekka Siponen wrote:
> 1. The beamed stems on the beat are too short,
> they should be the same length (an octave) as
> the 1/4 note on the second beat. Thus the c's
> would have the same stem length.
The stems and beams in the first beat look
exactly as they should according to p.105 of Ted
Ross
1. The beamed stems on the beat are too short, they should be the same
lenght (an octave) as the 1/4 note on the second beat. Thus the c's
would have the same stem lenght. Also the stem lenghts on the third and
fourth beat should be the same. The third beat stems are a little too
long an
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