KeyCancellation does not respond to break-visibility

2007-01-10 Thread Daniel Johnson
When a key change occurs at a line break, in many (most?) editions the key is cancelled at the end of the first line, and not at the beginning of the subsequent line. According to the Fine Manual, this is supposed to be the default behaviour (I'm looking at lilypond-internals/KeyCancellation.h

Re: broken link in documentation

2007-01-10 Thread Graham Percival
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: it's probably better to use lilypond.org/doc/{stable,development}/ as more permanent links. I didn't realize I could do that, thanks. There's probably a bunch of places where this is true; I'll go look for them. Cheers, - Graham __

Re: broken link in documentation

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Graham Percival escreveu: > James Kilfiger wrote: >> There is a broken link on the page >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Changing-defaults >> >> >> the link is : >> >> It is written as a HTML document, which is available >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.8/Documentation/user

Re: Sacred Harp is broken in minor keys

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Graham Percival escreveu: > I've added this as > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=232 > > but I suspect it may be quite tricky to implement. I think that a > better short-term solution is to define > \minorKey > > which sets up the correct noteheads for minor. You can use this

Re: Sacred Harp is broken in minor keys

2007-01-10 Thread Graham Percival
I've added this as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=232 but I suspect it may be quite tricky to implement. I think that a better short-term solution is to define \minorKey which sets up the correct noteheads for minor. You can use this same definition for many pieces; see

Issue 232 in project lilypond

2007-01-10 Thread codesite-noreply
Issue 232: shapeNoteStyles should change based on current key http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=232 New issue report by gpermus: When the current key is a minor key, the shapeNoteStyles are set wrong. The shape noteheads change depending on the key of the piece. shapeNoteStyle

Re: Sticking overlaps tuplet

2007-01-10 Thread Graham Percival
Thanks for the report! This bug has already been fixed in the unstable branch with a new method of checking for vertical collisions. This will not be backported to the 2.10 series (there are still problems with it), but you could either look forward to the next big stable release, or try usin

Re: convert-ly does not convert dynamic performers in 2.10.10

2007-01-10 Thread Graham Percival
Daniel Johnson wrote: In 2.10.10, Dynamic_performer and Span_dynamic_performer have been replaced by New_dynamic_performer, but convert-ly does not make a change or issue a warning. I've been using them in my midi block, and now I will have to remember to manually change them. Thanks, http:/

Issue 231 in project lilypond

2007-01-10 Thread codesite-noreply
Issue 231: convert-ly and New_dynamic_performer http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=231 New issue report by gpermus: In 2.10.10, Dynamic_performer and Span_dynamic_performer have been replaced by New_dynamic_performer, but convert-ly does not make a change or issue a warning. Is

Re: broken link in documentation

2007-01-10 Thread Graham Percival
James Kilfiger wrote: There is a broken link on the page http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Changing-defaults the link is : It is written as a HTML document, which is available http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.8/Documentation/user/ lilypond-internals/">on-line, but is also inc

Issue 230 in project lilypond

2007-01-10 Thread codesite-noreply
Issue 230: segfault 2.11.10 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=230 New issue report by hanwenn: \version "2.11.10" \score { \new Staff \relative c''' { \time 2/4 4\fermata \grace {bes32[( a g fis g a bes c d c bes a g f e d c cis d a] c2)} 4\fer

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Bertalan Fodor
At this point, anyone who is going to bother to put in the effort and expense of getting imagesetter output will probably also have the money for Finale, Sibelius, SCORE, or similar. Lilypond just isn't in that league yet (although it is getting there). Actually I do have the money for Sibeli

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: Of course laser printouts are better for this purpose, but not everyone is lucky enough to have a 1200-dpi laser printer sitting around. My A 600dpi x 1200dpi printer can be had for less than EUR 100 nowadays, will produce output that

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: The weight of the barline has to be considered in relation to the visual weight of the rest of the page. Music is usually played and read from a page, not from separate symbols. Agreed. But up to now, we've been focusing on individual symbols. I would be happy to

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Bertalan Fodor wrote: I think we should definitely go to a print shop and create a film with some LinoType machine in 4800dpi [...] That would be a lovely idea. Unfortunately, there are three problems: * Money * Time * The fact that it would not be representative of the output conditions of t

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: > Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> You cannot judge typography from screen, no matter how much you magnify. >> It's just not the same thing. > > If you're trying to judge the look of a whole page, of course that's > true. However, for the look of a single character or a s

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: > Of course laser printouts are better for this purpose, but not everyone > is lucky enough to have a 1200-dpi laser printer sitting around. My A 600dpi x 1200dpi printer can be had for less than EUR 100 nowadays, will produce output that is better than virtually a

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: You cannot judge typography from screen, no matter how much you magnify. It's just not the same thing. If you're trying to judge the look of a whole page, of course that's true. However, for the look of a single character or a small area, I completely disagree. And

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: When designing bar lines, we were looking for a practice that was backed by big houses, but also something interesting or exceptional(ly beautiful), rather than something too common and `looking also ok'. Hmm. I wonder if this was in fact the right way to go: exception

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: > Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: > [...] >>> Nope, wrong again. My original judgement came in fact from viewing the >>> PDF file. > [...] >> The fanciest computer displays are 142 dpi (1600x1200 14" laptop >> screen). This is not good enough

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Bertalan Fodor
I think we should definitely go to a print shop and create a film with some LinoType machine in 4800dpi (it generally costs some EUR per page) and judge according to : - the various types of music (I'm quite sure that a choir with piano piece crowded with lyrics will need other line sizes than a

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: [...] Nope, wrong again. My original judgement came in fact from viewing the PDF file. [...] The fanciest computer displays are 142 dpi (1600x1200 14" laptop screen). This is not good enough for judging typography. Augh! The moment I

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Marnen Laibow-Koser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Then that was the luck of the draw. I basically chose a few books > more or less at random, and added some editions whose aesthetics I > like (such as Henle). I will be trying to enlarge my sample and > seeing if the numbers change. > > Or should

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: I think we have a difference of opinion. I would rather call that fuzzy and uneven. Well, at 2400 dpi, yes. But while my scanner has that sort of optical resolution, I do not. At actual size, the output is actually pretty hard to tell from laser output. Best, Marn

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: > Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > [...] > >> Your judgement of "ugly" was based on prints that come from an >> inferior printer. > > Nope, wrong again. My original judgement came in fact from viewing the > PDF file. Which why -at the top the examples page http://lilyp

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Marnen Laibow-Koser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What do you mean by "further investigation"? My conclusion I was referring to Werner and Han-Wen. By further investigation, I meant looking at printed output; comparing with the originals that Lily's bar lines were designed from and trying to di

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: > Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > [...] > >> Your judgement of "ugly" was based on prints that come from an >> inferior printer. > > Nope, wrong again. My original judgement came in fact from viewing the > PDF file. > > And I wouldn't call my printer "inferior". Oh sure

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: [...] Your judgement of "ugly" was based on prints that come from an inferior printer. Nope, wrong again. My original judgement came in fact from viewing the PDF file. And I wouldn't call my printer "inferior". Oh sure, it's an inkjet printer, but the output is fi

Re: Barline scans

2007-01-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Marnen Laibow-Koser escreveu: > I would have just measured from the PDF file, had it not been for John > Neeman's point that the document might print slightly differently. You'll get exact measurements from the PDF, but it's about esthetics first. Your judgement of "ugly" was based on prints that