Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-25 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:08:25PM +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 08:49:16AM +0200, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: > > > > I'm still not convinced that this is a good idea in general. Private > > > > namespaces always make things somewhat intransparent IMHO. > > >

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-21 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
Hello, On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 08:49:16AM +0200, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: > > > > I'm still not convinced that this is a good idea in general. Private > > > namespaces always make things somewhat intransparent IMHO. > > > > I agree, unless perhaps it is obviously private, e.g. /proc/self.

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-20 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 03:45:05PM +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 04:27:28AM +0200, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: > > Presently we don't have any mechanisms for server-side per-process > > handling though. (Again, beyond chroot.) While at some point we > > mentio

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-20 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 03:35:49PM +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > Again, it seems like a natural split to me. One translator per > filesystem: one to merge the different packages into a single > filesystem, and the other to interact with it. I really don't see any point in introducing

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-19 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
Hello, On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 04:27:28AM +0200, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: > > Nah, I think you are right. Systems that provide private namespaces > (beyond chroot) -- which most notably includes Plan9, but also Linux > nowadays -- do so per-process rather than per-user. So a user gets a > p

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-19 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
Hello, On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 04:17:17AM +0200, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > > > Yes, a translator can attach itself to multiple nodes, but if a > > translator takes an active role in attaching itself it cannot be set >

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-19 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
Hi, On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:54:37AM +0200, Patrik Olsson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 11:52 +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:47:49PM +0200, Patrik Olsson wrote: > > > 3. Is it possible to have one translator working on two nodes at > > > the same t

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-17 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 03:07:22PM +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:59:16PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Carl Fredrik Hammar, le Fri 16 Apr 2010 11:52:04 +0200, a écrit : > > > > 4. Is it possible for a translator to provide different > > > > views

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-17 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > Yes, a translator can attach itself to multiple nodes, but if a > translator takes an active role in attaching itself it cannot be set > as a passive (start on demand) translator. Eh? Why not?... > It is also possible to

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-17 Thread Patrik Olsson
Hello Fredrik, On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 11:52 +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:47:49PM +0200, Patrik Olsson wrote: > > To design HPM (Hurd Package Manager) I need answers to the following > > questions (at least to begin with): > > > > 1. Is it possible

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Carl Fredrik Hammar, le Fri 16 Apr 2010 15:07:22 +0200, a écrit : > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:59:16PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Carl Fredrik Hammar, le Fri 16 Apr 2010 11:52:04 +0200, a écrit : > > > > 2. If yes on question 1, would this be insecure? For example, if > > > > th

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-16 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:59:16PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Carl Fredrik Hammar, le Fri 16 Apr 2010 11:52:04 +0200, a écrit : > > > 2. If yes on question 1, would this be insecure? For example, if > > > the user overrides a library used by a setuid program? (Then > > > a

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Carl Fredrik Hammar, le Fri 16 Apr 2010 11:52:04 +0200, a écrit : > > 2. If yes on question 1, would this be insecure? For example, if > > the user overrides a library used by a setuid program? (Then > > again, if the program is running as e.g. root by setuid, it > > wo

Re: Many questions about translators

2010-04-16 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
Hello, On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:47:49PM +0200, Patrik Olsson wrote: > To design HPM (Hurd Package Manager) I need answers to the following > questions (at least to begin with): > > 1. Is it possible for an unprivileged user to override the > translator of a node with another transl

Many questions about translators

2010-04-15 Thread Patrik Olsson
To design HPM (Hurd Package Manager) I need answers to the following questions (at least to begin with): 1. Is it possible for an unprivileged user to override the translator of a node with another translator (at least, in their own view)? Basically, the question is if users'