On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> There is nothing you wrote in the last post that makes rational or
> compassionate sense to me. There is nothing I can respond to. We're too
> different.
Everyone is different. That makes the world an interesting and wonderful place.
> A
John wrote:
I think I see a communication problem here. You talk of the "free
> market" as if it were a thing, like a replicator on Star Trek that
> provides food. When I talk of a free market, I mean the state of not
> restricting or coercing people in their choices to freely interact
> with eac
Charlie said:
It originated a long time before Benjy. Traders in the Mediterranean
used a form of insurance to indemnify the trader against loss if the
cargo was stolen, and mutualised risk was used by Chinese traders
(who would spread their cargos across many vessels to lower the
total r
On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:20 AM, John Williams wrote:
There are also people who do not seem to know what freedom actually
means. Nor respect, respect enough to understand that each person
knows what is best for themselves.
Evidently, for some people, "freedom" means the right to refuse to
partici
John wrote:
No, it was not. The myriad government restrictions have a significant
> effect on costs.
If regulations and restrictions have such a detrimental effect then why do
other, more restrictive nations have much more efficient and effective
health care systems?
Doug
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Dave said:
Your presumption of the freedom to behave this way comes an
exorbitant cost to others on this
list, but you seem to have no problem demanding that we pay that
price.
Really? And there I was thinking that it was easy to skim or skip
posts that don't interest you, and even dialup
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
> No, there is no communication problem. In its most basic definition, a free
> market is a market that is free from government intervention. What has
> become painfully obvious in recent years is that as the market frees itself
> from gove
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
> If regulations and restrictions have such a detrimental effect then why do
> other, more restrictive nations have much more efficient and effective
> health care systems?
That is a complicated subject, and I do not believe I claimed that
t
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Dave Land wrote:
> Your presumption of the
> freedom to behave this way comes an exorbitant cost to others on this
> list, but you seem to have no problem demanding that we pay that price.
I respect your freedom to choose not to pay "that price". I will not
compl
On 18/07/2009, at 5:33 PM, Richard Baker wrote:
Charlie said:
It originated a long time before Benjy. Traders in the
Mediterranean used a form of insurance to indemnify the trader
against loss if the cargo was stolen, and mutualised risk was used
by Chinese traders (who would spread thei
Charlie said:
Yeah, that's what I was alluding to with Mediterranean traders.
Guaranteed by Hamurabi (sp?) himself, IIRC.
Oh, okay. And yes, it's mentioned in Hammurabi's "law code" (which was
probably a set of examples of what the king would do or had done in
different circumstances rath
>
>
> Which is to say that you believe you know better how people should
> spend their money than they do themselves. That people need to have
> their money confiscated and spent by the intellectual elite since
> otherwise people would spend it on a bunch of crap.
>
No, what I believe is that rega
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
> No, what I believe is that regarding matters that effect a group of people
> we often make better, more responsible choices when we act as a group rather
> than as an individual. We are inherently selfish, but we understand that
> selflessne
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
>
>
> Franklin founded the first one in the States, arguably the first of the
> modern mutuals. But he didn't invent shared or mutualised risk.
>
>
Risk has been mutual forever. John Donne said it well:
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Kevin wrote:
> Consider Phlebas first, right Charlie? 8^)
>>
> That was the first (and so far only) Banks book I have tried. I got about
> half-way before I gave up.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL
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>
> "I don't want to achiev
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> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
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> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Doug Pensing
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> Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:55 PM
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> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:07 PM, dsu
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> Behalf Of John Williams
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> Subject: Re: Why not discuss the topic?
> No chutzpah required, since I am
Hi Doug, everyone.
I think that both groups & the free market sometimes make better decisions than
individuals, but that the answer to life the universe and everything, returning
to the moon and health care, is finding ways to allow groups to make better
decisions than individuals every single
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
>
> No, there is no communication problem. In its most basic definition, a
> free market is a market that is free from government intervention. What has
> become painfully obvious in recent years is that as the market frees itself
> from g
Kevin wrote:
> I wrote:
>
>>
>> Consider Phlebas first, right Charlie? 8^)
>>
>
>
>> That was the first (and so far only) Banks book I have tried. I got about
> half-way before I gave up.
>
Hey, to each his own. CP is one of my favorite books, period, but if we
all liked the same stuff the w
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10289983-56.html
. . . ronn! :)
I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon.
I never dreamed that I would see the last.
--Dr. Jerry Pournelle
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