On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Doug Pensinger<brig...@zo.com> wrote:
> No, what I believe is that regarding matters that effect a group of people
> we often make better, more responsible choices when we act as a group rather
> than as an individual.  We are inherently selfish, but we understand that
> selflessness is both more noble and more beneficial to the whole.  Acting as
> individuals we will tend towards selfishness; as a group, less so.

Perhaps that is true, in an ideal system. But in practice, in the
situations we have been discussing, a group means politicians,
lobbyists, and special interests, and a lot of decisions that are in
the selfish interests of the politicians and those who can exert
influence over the politicians. In reality, I don't think the group
decisions are any less selfish than the individual ones, except
perhaps in quite small groups where everyone knows everyone else.

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