Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-12 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi David, On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 15:40 +0300, David Nelson wrote: > Sorry, I just want to add this small comment/question to my preceding > posts in this thread: These belong on discuss - as has been pointed out. They are also rather tangential to the role of the board IMHO - which devolve

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-10 Thread David Nelson
Hi Michael, Thank you for taking time out to give me those interesting answers. Lots of food for thought there, as has been the case in the past after discussing with you. I'll be arming up for work on the online help and the code base in the near future, and will pop up on IRC at that time. And

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-10 Thread David Nelson
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:40 PM, David Nelson wrote: > For sure, there's detailed > information about planned release dates going far into the future [1]. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfo

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-10 Thread David Nelson
Sorry, I just want to add this small comment/question to my preceding posts in this thread: I have been searching around, and I have not been able to find an official development roadmap of any kind. For sure, there's detailed information about planned release dates going far into the future [1].

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-10 Thread David Nelson
Hi Michael, Thanks for the answers. I don't have time to reply in detail this week, but I will certainly be thinking about what you said. I don't intend to let go of this subject, but will be planning my next "attack" (let me register that as a joke already) on the discuss list. I'll be coming up

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-10 Thread David Nelson
Hi Michael, On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 12:22 +0300, David Nelson wrote: >> Your arguments resound with the sideways logic and suave patter of a >> dishonest used car salesman combined with the moral values of a >> larcenous banker. :-D > >      

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-10 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi David, On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 12:22 +0300, David Nelson wrote: > Your arguments resound with the sideways logic and suave patter of a > dishonest used car salesman combined with the moral values of a > larcenous banker. :-D This is totally out of line; even with a smile. Tone is really

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-10 Thread Tom Davies
e: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 10 October, 2011, 10:11 Hi Tom, On Sat, 2011-10-08 at 18:02 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > One of the top priorities for the Documentation Team right now > is a guide to help people that

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-10 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi David, On Sat, 2011-10-08 at 18:12 +0300, David Nelson wrote: > I'm hoping to see from three of our leading devs who are candidates > for the BoD how committed they are to *Open Source* software. ;-) So I just saw this thread; and of course the topic is worth responding to. Firstly, le

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-10 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Tom, On Sat, 2011-10-08 at 18:02 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > One of the top priorities for the Documentation Team right now > is a guide to help people that want to start programming for > LibreOffice. Cool ! :-) and of course, it's something that can be dead useful. > There is alre

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi David, David Nelson wrote (09-10-11 22:55) I regret that I won't be at the conference, or I would definitely buy you a beer to show you that there are no hard feelings on my side. ;-) Thanks, would really love to have that beer. But we can do it on a next opportunity. And I really have

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
Cor, Apparently you enjoy an argument. :-D I wasn't going to write further to this thread, but apparently you need to have the last word, and I don't see why you should. I'll explain why below. My only mistake in writing to the candidates was that I continued in the threads they started on this

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Cor Nouws
David Nelson wrote (09-10-11 14:55) Norbert, it would be good if you read things carefully and accurately. Cor, it would be good if you did not jump to conclusions. David, it would be good if you just understood the point ;-) Norbert and Cor, it would be polite and in keeping with the bylaws

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Simon Phipps
On Oct 9, 2011 3:04 PM, "David Nelson" wrote: > > It would have been so much simpler if the candidates had been allowed > to answer for themselves. Hey, cool it. No-one is stopping them answering; I'm explaining why they are not. Please read what I wrote calmly and, if you still don't understand

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > No big and high words please :) I'm disappointed, Charles. Quite disappointed... -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello David, Le 09/10/2011 16:02, David Nelson a écrit : > Hi Simon, > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Simon Phipps > wrote: >> I am indicating that questions about development plans and intentions fall >> outside the scope of questions for Board candidates as regards their >> suitability f

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
Hi Simon, On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > I am indicating that questions about development plans and intentions fall > outside the scope of questions for Board candidates as regards their > suitability for election, as the role of directors[1] does not include > developme

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Simon Phipps
On 9 Oct 2011, at 13:57, David Nelson wrote: > Hi Simon, > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> You're asking a development question that's not among the duties of a member >> of the Board of Directors. You're obviously welcome to ask community members >> about your projec

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
Hi Simon, On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > You're asking a development question that's not among the duties of a member > of the Board of Directors. You're obviously welcome to ask community members > about your project proposal, but I suggest you wait until after the elect

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
Hi, On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Norbert Thiebaud wrote (09-10-11 14:25) >> >> Trying to extract election promises out of some people, on ground >> completely unrelated to the office they seek, is not going to get you >> there. > > Correct. > I would assume (have seem some m

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Simon Phipps
On 9 Oct 2011, at 10:22, David Nelson wrote: > Let's not get side-tracked. You're asking a development question that's not among the duties of a member of the Board of Directors. You're obviously welcome to ask community members about your project proposal, but I suggest you wait until after t

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Norbert Thiebaud wrote (09-10-11 14:25) Trying to extract election promises out of some people, on ground completely unrelated to the office they seek, is not going to get you there. Correct. I would assume (have seem some mails swiftly after posting my initial contribution to this thread) tha

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:22 AM, David Nelson wrote: > Hello Norbert, > > >> No amount of documentation will turn a 'non-geek' into a core dev. >> Clean, well written code, with the least amount of 'trick' is the best >> documentation: It is by definition accurate, complete and >> authoritative. Qu

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi David, David Nelson wrote (09-10-11 13:30) I don't see anything incongruous about asking a candidate in the Board of Directors election about what commitments he might be willing to take on if elected. In fact, what else are you supposed to ask of candidates? Taking care for documentation,

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
Hi Cor, On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > I see no link between the role of the BOD and individual members making > commitments to certain day to day tasks. > Is there something why I should, in your opinion? I don't see anything incongruous about asking a candidate in the Board

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi David, David Nelson wrote (08-10-11 16:38) 2011/10/8 Jesús Corrius: In my opinion, I don't think it's best for the project to put some of the most skilled developers to work in documentation, when other developers can also do this task perfectly well. It is precisely these guys who could

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
To give you an idea of the kind of collaboration I'm proposing to our leading devs, you could read this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_document -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread David Nelson
Hello Norbert, On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > Seriously ? for a distributed open source software, _that_ is your > doomsday scenario ? > If that were to happen, it would probably means that your immediate > problem would be survival: finding food and shelter. Computer

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-09 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:38 PM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, :-) > > Minor addition after a few hours sleep and before starting work: > > This kind of design documentation is really essential for various reasons. > > What would happen if there was some kind of disaster and we were to > lose the essen

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) Minor addition after a few hours sleep and before starting work: This kind of design documentation is really essential for various reasons. What would happen if there was some kind of disaster and we were to lose the essential core of our lead devs for some horrible reason? We'd be scupp

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-08 Thread Tom Davies
s from Tom :) --- On Sat, 8/10/11, Jesús Corrius wrote: From: Jesús Corrius Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Saturday, 8 October, 2011, 15:33 > This could usefully be a collaborative initiative actively worked on > by Caolan Mc

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Norbert, On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > But here you are taking advantage of the fact that these candidates > happen to also be core developer to corner them. Of course. :-) That's "politics" right? But seriously, this is - to me, a non-dev but someone who would dea

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-08 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi Italo, > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: >> I do not think that this discussion should happen during the election >> time, as it might have an influence on the election outcome based on >> parametres which are not re

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Charles, On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > I'll let the candidates you have asked your question to answer. I had > one question for you though: will you be in Paris next week? Sadly not. :-( I'm wrapped up in a client project for which the deadline is the 14th, and th

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-08 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello David, Le Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:39:13 +0300, David Nelson a écrit : > Hi Italo, > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Italo Vignoli > wrote: > > I do not think that this discussion should happen during the > > election time, as it might have an influence on the election > > outcome based on p

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Italo, On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: > I do not think that this discussion should happen during the election > time, as it might have an influence on the election outcome based on > parametres which are not relevant for being a director (based on bylaws). I regret that

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board

2011-10-08 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 10/8/11 5:12 PM, David Nelson wrote: > I'm hoping to see from three of our leading devs who are candidates > for the BoD how committed they are to *Open Source* software. ;-) I do not think that this discussion should happen during the election time, as it might have an influence on the electi

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Jesus, I'm hoping to see from three of our leading devs who are candidates for the BoD how committed they are to *Open Source* software. ;-) Open the doors wider, and more people might come in. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jesus, 2011/10/8 Jesús Corrius : > I'd create a group of people with different > skill levels to work on it. I don't deny that it will not be as > effective, but I could also be a chance for wannabe developers to > learn a lot about the project while they work in benefit of the > community. Th

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-08 Thread Jesús Corrius
Hi David, On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:38 PM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi Jesus, > > 2011/10/8 Jesús Corrius : >> In my opinion, I don't think it's best for the project to put some of >> the most skilled developers to work in documentation, when other >> developers can also do this task perfectly well.

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jesus, 2011/10/8 Jesús Corrius : > In my opinion, I don't think it's best for the project to put some of > the most skilled developers to work in documentation, when other > developers can also do this task perfectly well. It is precisely these guys who could put the most effective work into t

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-08 Thread Jesús Corrius
> This could usefully be a collaborative initiative actively worked on > by Caolan McNamara, Thorsten Behrens and Michael Meeks. In my opinion, I don't think it's best for the project to put some of the most skilled developers to work in documentation, when other developers can also do this task p

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-10-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Michael, Please let me start by thanking you for your past service on the SC, and your important contributions to TDF and the LibreOffice project. I would like to ask whether you would be willing to make a commitment for a term of office on the BoD. I am certain that you will assure us that y

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors

2011-10-04 Thread Eliane Domingos de Sousa
om: Olivier Hallot > > Sender: olivier.hallot@gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:08:12 > > To: ; < > > disc...@documentfoundation.org> > > Reply-To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > > Subject: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors &g

Re: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors

2011-10-04 Thread David Emmerich Jourdain
Hallot > Sender: olivier.hallot@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:08:12 > To: ; < > disc...@documentfoundation.org> > Reply-To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > Subject: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors > > I thereby announce my candidacy fo

[steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board: Michael Meeks

2011-09-30 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi there, I'd like to formally offer myself as a candidate for the Board of The Document Foundation. While, as a developer I have no great love for meetings and politics, my hope is that I'd have some useful perspectives to offer, with time to invest into working on issues which would enri

Res: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors

2011-09-29 Thread Jomar Silva
-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors I thereby announce my candidacy for a Board of Directors seat at the Document Foundation My name is Olivier Hallot, I am a 53 old electronic engineer living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I am a former