Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:46 AM, NxtChg via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Eric, > >>FWIW... > > These are all good points and I agree with most of them. Yes, the block size > debate is a lucky historical accident, which makes it easier for XT to pull > off the split, but that's not the point. > > The po

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-18 Thread odinn via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Agreed. On 08/17/2015 07:36 AM, Adam Back via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Thank you Eric for saying what needs to be said. > > Starting a fork war is just not constructive and there are > multiple proposals being evaluated here. > > I think that one thing

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-18 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
Eric, >FWIW... These are all good points and I agree with most of them. Yes, the block size debate is a lucky historical accident, which makes it easier for XT to pull off the split, but that's not the point. The point is, the split _must_ happen because the centralized governance of Bitcoin

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:13 PM, GC wrote: > Dave, > > “ … highly skilled psychological warfare agents ..” > > Paranoia, much? > > Well, I respect your characterization of it as paranoia, sure. If you check out the #1 podcast in higher education on podomatic.com, you may find that it's more awa

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread GC via bitcoin-dev
y, 18 August 2015 12:37 pm To: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT Three things: 1) Hostility is generally the result of perceived hostility. If you assume the best intentions of another person, you will eventually find yourself in one of two places. Either you will

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev
Three things: 1) Hostility is generally the result of perceived hostility. If you assume the best intentions of another person, you will eventually find yourself in one of two places. Either you will find truth with that person (becuase they are also seeking it), or you will drive them away (bec

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
I should add that in the interest of peace and goodwill, I extend an offer to both Mike and Gavin to make their grievances heard…but only on the condition that we make a good effort to avoid misrepresentation and misreading of the other side’s intentions. > On Aug 17, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Eric Lom

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:34 AM, NxtChg via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > Great, so how about you go tell theymos to stop censoring XT posts and > banning the other side on /r/Bitcoin? > > Let users decide what Bitcoin is or isn't. FWIW, I don’t think what theymos did is very constructive.I unders

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
Eric, >In the entire history of Bitcoin we've never attempted anything even closely >resembling a hard fork like what's being proposed here. These concerns are understandable. What's hard to understand is why he, he and he get to decide what is more risky - hitting the limit or forking for larg

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Levin Keller wrote: > > Dear Eric, > > thank you for sharing your thoughts. > > It obviously boils down to political beliefs, not so much technical > arguments. I understand that you are in favor of a "guided decentralization" > and you are most happily invited

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Levin Keller via bitcoin-dev
Dear Eric, thank you for sharing your thoughts. It obviously boils down to political beliefs, not so much technical arguments. I understand that you are in favor of a "guided decentralization" and you are most happily invited to follow this path. I don't want to be on it. I want total decentralis

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread GC via bitcoin-dev
Adam, While greatly appreciating your prior efforts in crypto-ccy R&D and current efforts for Blockstream, its not a plus for your reputation to be using emotive terms like ³attack², ³fork war" and throwing so much FUD into the developer email channel directly after Eric¹s email. We would appreci

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
Thank you Eric for saying what needs to be said. Starting a fork war is just not constructive and there are multiple proposals being evaluated here. I think that one thing that is not being so much focussed on is Bitcoin-XT is both a hard-fork and a soft-fork. It's a hard-fork on Bitcoin full-no

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
Levin, The hope is that eventually the network will be sufficiently resilient and robust to be able to handle anything that’s thrown at it. But it’s still a baby…and this is a serious problem indeed, because on the one hand we don’t want any central authority but on the other it still needs som

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Levin Keller via bitcoin-dev
Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev schrieb am Mo., 17. Aug. 2015 um 16:03 Uhr: > NxtChg, > > In the entire history of Bitcoin we’ve never attempted anything even > closely resembling a hard fork like what’s being proposed here. > > Many of us have wanted to push our own hard-forking changes to the > p

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
NxtChg, In the entire history of Bitcoin we’ve never attempted anything even closely resembling a hard fork like what’s being proposed here. Many of us have wanted to push our own hard-forking changes to the protocol…and have been frustrated because of the inability to do so. This inability is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
>We should have the highest respect for what these people are doing, and we >should try to do something constructive, not waste time with anger and >disrespect. Why, exactly, should I have any respect for what these people are doing (and supposedly not have any respect for what the other side

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Vali Zero via bitcoin-dev
are not telling you what to do, they are trying to do what they consider is best for the ecosystem given their technical abilities. Valiz În data de L, 17.8.15, NxtChg via bitcoin-dev a scris: Subiect: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
>Announcing Not-BitcoinXT >https://github.com/xtbit/notbitcoinxt#not-bitcoin-xt > "This version can be used to protect the status quo until real technical > consensus is formed about the blocksize." > "...real technical consensus..." You mean the bunch of self-proclaimed Bitcoin wizards, who d

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-17 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 The fun thing about this, is you only need >25% of hashing power running Not-BitcoinXT to screw over the miners running XT, as XT blocks are valid Bitcoin blocks if they're on a valid Bitcoin chain. 75% upgrade thresholds have a lot of issues...

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-16 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
Thanks to mining centralization, such attempts won't be successful. Asking mining pools to mine spoofing blocks in their real name is even harder than asking them to run the real BitcoinXT Node count is always manipulable, there is nothing new. People running this will only be interpreted as X

[bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-16 Thread Julie via bitcoin-dev
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