[bitcoin-dev] Taproot: What are you building?

2021-03-06 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
Hi! As a minor diversion while discussing activation parameters, I felt it would be meaningful to collect a survey on what people are already using Taproot for in either conceptual, prototype, or implemented/spec phases. I suspect there are a lot of people tinkering with Taproot one way or anothe

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
The assumption of malice on the part of those of us supporting a UASF is tragic and frankly ridiculous. Many of us backed off of the effort the second that this Speedy Trial solution was proposed in order to dislodge the gridlock on the LOT value. I can't say for certain that 100% of those working

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
On 3/6/21 14:56, Michael Folkson wrote: Hi Matt > I'm really unsure that three months is a short enough time window that there wouldn't be a material effort to split the network with divergent consensus rules. Instead, a three month window is certainly long enough to organize and make a lo

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
I don't think anyone is proposing anything to "prevent" other people from doing anything they wish. My understanding of the goal of this proposal, itself, was to keep the community together by proposing a solution that was palatable to all. My point was that I'm not sure that this proposal achiev

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Ariel Luaces via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 10:11 AM Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > I'm really unsure that three months is a short enough time window that there > wouldn't be a material effort to split the > network with divergent consensus rules. Instead, a three month window is > certainly long enough to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev
Hi Matt > I'm really unsure that three months is a short enough time window that there wouldn't be a material effort to split the network with divergent consensus rules. Instead, a three month window is certainly long enough to organize and make a lot of noise around such an effort, given BIP 148

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 01:11:01PM -0500, Matt Corallo wrote: > I'm really unsure that three months is a short enough time window that there > wouldn't be a material effort to split the network with divergent consensus > rules. I oppose designing activation mechanisms with the goal of preventing

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Ricardo Filipe via bitcoin-dev
As said before, you are free to create the BIP in your own repository and bring it to discussion on the mailing list. then you can do a PR Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev escreveu no dia sábado, 6/03/2021 à(s) 08:58: > > I know Ethereum had an outlandishly large percentage of nodes running on A

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
I'm really unsure that three months is a short enough time window that there wouldn't be a material effort to split the network with divergent consensus rules. Instead, a three month window is certainly long enough to organize and make a lot of noise around such an effort, given BIP 148 was organ

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Making the case for flag day activation of taproot

2021-03-06 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
Replies inline. Several sections removed, where I basically agree. On 3/4/21 08:47, Russell O'Connor wrote: Appologies as I've rearranged your comments in my reply. I agree with you.  I also think we have plenty of evidence to proceed with taproot and could proceed with a PR for such a flag day

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev
Hi Andrew, This is a slight misunderstanding of the proposal. Rather than an extended lockin period (a term I've erroneously used in the past) it is really a minimum activation height. Thus using your figures it would instead be: * start height = 681408 /* about May 1st */ * timeout height = 69

[bitcoin-dev] Hardening against hash reversal attacks

2021-03-06 Thread Patrick Shirkey via bitcoin-dev
Hi, Given recent discussions around possible cracks to RSA, ECDSA and even sha256 we have been looking at possible options for hardening Bitcoin against those potential attack vectors. While most consider it a low priority, IMO it is better to discuss this issue than ignore it especially given

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Straight Flag Day (Height) Taproot Activation

2021-03-06 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 11:49:57AM -0500, Matt Corallo wrote: > On 3/3/21 09:59, Anthony Towns wrote: > > A couple of days ago I would have disagreed with this; but with Luke > > now strongly pushing against implementing lot=false, I can at least see > > your point... > Right. It may be the case th

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
The most sensible approach I’ve seen yet. e > On Mar 6, 2021, at 01:29, Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 05:43:43PM -1000, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev > wrote: >> ## Example timeline >> - T+0: release of one or more full nodes with activation code >> -

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial"

2021-03-06 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 05:43:43PM -1000, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev wrote: > ## Example timeline > - T+0: release of one or more full nodes with activation code > - T+14: signal tracking begins > - T+28: earliest possible lock in > - T+104: locked in by this date or need to try a different

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
I know Ethereum had an outlandishly large percentage of nodes running on AWS, I heard the same thing is for Bitcoin but for mining. Had trouble finding the article online so take it with a grain of salt. The point though is that both servers and ASIC specific hardware would still be able to benefit

[bitcoin-dev] Supermajority then simple majority Taproot Activation

2021-03-06 Thread Ariel Luaces via bitcoin-dev
I found a hint of common ground in reddit that I absolutely loves and just had to share here on the ML to discuss Luke's suggestion: To minimise the signal from 90% to 50%+1 during the MUST_SIGNAL phase. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/lwvg78/making_the_case_for_flag_day_activation_of_t

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
> A large portion of BTC is already mined through AWS servers and non-asic specific hardware anyways. A majority of them would benefit from a hybrid proof, and the fact that it is hybrid in that manner wouldn't disenfranchise currently optimized mining entities as well. My instincts tell me that t

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, in regards to my research this is just one of my patents: https://patents.google.com/patent/CN110825707A This isn't related to this proposal but gives you a general depth of understanding in regards to the technology and field I'm working on in reducing redundancy and efficiency. You aren't a c