Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 10:37:30AM -0500, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev wrote: > 2) People are committing to spinning up thousands of supports-2mb-nodes > during the grace period. Why wouldn't an attacker be able to counter-sybil-attack that effort? Who are these people? On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread David Thomson via bitcoin-dev
Gavin, I saw this in your blog post: "Miners producing up-version blocks is a coordination mechanism. Other coordination mechanisms are possible– there could be a centrally determined “flag day” or “flag block” when everybody (or almost everybody) agrees that a change will happen." Can you de

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 04:11:58PM -0500, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 12:45:14PM -0500, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Adam Back wrote: > > > > > > > > It would probably be a good idea to have a security considerations

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Chris Priest via bitcoin-dev
Its mostly a problem for exchanges and miners. Those entities need to be on the network 100% of the time because they are using the network 100% of the time. A normal wallet user isn't taking payments every few minutes like the exchanges are. "Getting booted off the network" is not something to wor

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 12:45:14PM -0500, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Adam Back wrote: > > > > > It would probably be a good idea to have a security considerations > > section > > > Containing what? I'm not aware of any security considerations that

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Saturday, February 06, 2016 5:25:21 PM Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Saturday, February 06, 2016 06:09:21 PM Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > None of the reasons you list say anything about the fact that "being > > lost" (kicked out of the network) is a problem for those node's u

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Saturday, February 06, 2016 3:37:30 PM Gavin Andresen wrote: > I suspect there ARE a significant percentage of un-maintained full nodes-- Do you have evidence these are intentionally unmaintained, and not users who have simply not had time to review and decide on upgrading? > There is broad a

[bitcoin-dev] Gavin: A Response to Your Forking BIP

2016-02-06 Thread Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Gavin Andresen wrote: > Responding to "28 days is not long enough" : > Gavin, Thank you for the emails. Bitcoin Core has been working with the Bitcoin ecosystem on developing and now testing a new capacity increasing feature called segregated witness (segwit). Seg

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Saturday, February 06, 2016 06:09:21 PM Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote: > None of the reasons you list say anything about the fact that "being lost" > (kicked out of the network) is a problem for those node's users. That's because its not. If you have a node that is "old" your node will sto

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Adam Back wrote: > > It would probably be a good idea to have a security considerations > section Containing what? I'm not aware of any security considerations that are any different from any other consensus rules change. (I can write a blog post summarizing o

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Feb 6, 2016 16:37, "Gavin Andresen" wrote: > > Responding to "28 days is not long enough" : Any thoughts on the "95% better than 75%" and "grace period before miner coordination instead of after" comments ? > I suspect there ARE a significant percentage of un-maintained full nodes-- probably

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
Hi Gavin It would probably be a good idea to have a security considerations section, also, is there a list of which exchange, library, wallet, pool, stats server, hardware etc you have tested this change against? Do you have a rollback plan in the event the hard-fork triggers via false voting as

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes

2016-02-06 Thread Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev
Responding to "28 days is not long enough" : I keep seeing this claim made with no evidence to back it up. As I said, I surveyed several of the biggest infrastructure providers and the btcd lead developer and they all agree "28 days is plenty of time." For individuals... why would it take somebo