Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Noel Butler > you clearly have a bias set-in-concrete mindset about rbldnsd, maybe you > and its author hate each others guts, I dunno, dont care, our decision > is based on real world live usages, tests, and experiences, for over ten > years of using rbldnsd and twenty with bind, so Ver

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2013-09-24 at 13:40 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > From: Noel Butler > > > We used to run our int bl on bind, it was a resource hog compared to > > rbldnsd > > But there is no way in hell, I'd run rbldnsd on anything else other > > than a BL, > > > > IMO, they are both designed to do

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Noel Butler > We used to run our int bl on bind, it was a resource hog compared to > rbldnsd > But there is no way in hell, I'd run rbldnsd on anything else other > than a BL, > > IMO, they are both designed to do different things, and they both do > their own thing, much better than the

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 19:21 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > > As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries > > > (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): > > > > > > 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? > > > 2) What sort of machine would be required to load that zone

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Tony Finch
Vernon Schryver wrote: > > It's convenient that with binary zone files and the dynamic update > protocol, loading from text (or signing a whole zone) is not something > you need to do every hour on the hour. Right. Timings from named-checkzone give a rough idea of a worst-case cold start. I ran

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-24 Thread Tony Finch
Simon Forster wrote: > > Excellent info. Thank you. What's the specs of the machine you're testing on? An old-ish Dell Optiplex 760, Core 2 Duo, 3.16 GHz, 4GB RAM. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/ Forties, Cromarty: East, veering southeast, 4 or 5, occasionally 6 at first. Rough,

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-23 Thread Simon Forster
On 23 Sep 2013, at 20:21, Vernon Schryver wrote: >> From: Tony Finch > >>> As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries >>> (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): >>> >>> 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? >>> 2) What sort of machine would be required to load th

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Simon Forster
On 23 Sep 2013, at 19:24, Tony Finch wrote: > Simon Forster wrote: >> >> As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries >> (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): >> >> 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? >> 2) What sort of machine would be required to load that zon

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-23 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Tony Finch > > As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries > > (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): > > > > 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? > > 2) What sort of machine would be required to load that zone? > > 3) How long would it take to load into BIND

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Tony Finch
Simon Forster wrote: > > As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries > (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): > > 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? > 2) What sort of machine would be required to load that zone? > 3) How long would it take to load into BIND? I did

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Simon Forster
On 23 Sep 2013, at 15:59, Vernon Schryver wrote: >> From: Eliezer Croitoru > >>> Major DNSBL providers have years since limited anonymous clients for >>> business or other reasons. For example, I think Spamhaus limits >>> anonymous clients to fewer than 3 queries/second. > >> and I doubt the

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Chris Buxton
On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Vernon Schryver wrote: > From: Eliezer Croitoru > >> I was looking for something like that but I am sure a dynamic DB is >> needed for the task right? > > Large DNSBLs are not very dynamic, because they have relatively few > changes per day. From another perspect

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Eliezer Croitoru > > Major DNSBL providers have years since limited anonymous clients for > > business or other reasons. For example, I think Spamhaus limits > > anonymous clients to fewer than 3 queries/second. > and I doubt they use RRL in the application level.. > I assume they limi

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-22 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 09/20/2013 05:12 PM, Vernon Schryver wrote: > The potential RRL problem is when you provide high volume DNSBL service > over the open Internet to DNS clients that are not authenticated. > However, that is unlikely to be a worry, because providing DNSBL > services over the open Internet is dubiou

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-21 Thread Noel Butler
On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 14:12 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > From: Shane Kerr > > > With a 50% packet loss and 3 retries you'll have about 1 in 16 lookups > > fail, right? If you've got enough legitimate lookups going on to > > trigger RRL then you're going to get lots of failures. > > If 6% i

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-20 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Shane Kerr > With a 50% packet loss and 3 retries you'll have about 1 in 16 lookups > fail, right? If you've got enough legitimate lookups going on to > trigger RRL then you're going to get lots of failures. If 6% is "lots", then yes. > One workaround for this is to set SLIP to 1. I kn

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-20 Thread Noel Butler
Hi Shane, On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 11:38 +0200, Shane Kerr wrote: > Noel, > > On 2013-09-20 12:48:31 (Friday) > Noel Butler wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 01:59 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > > > > plenty of delayed mail - hostname lookup failures (mostly because of > > > > URI/DNS BL's),

RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-20 Thread Shane Kerr
Noel, On 2013-09-20 12:48:31 (Friday) Noel Butler wrote: > On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 01:59 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: > > > plenty of delayed mail - hostname lookup failures (mostly because of > > > URI/DNS BL's), so it certainly works as intended :) > > > > That sounds unrelated to RRL. Agai