On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 05:28:06PM -0600, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010, Shlomi Fish wrote:
>
> >On Monday 27 Dec 2010 21:44:05 Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >> I think it is not fair to pointing the reader out directly to Linux.
> >>There are other systems
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:55:32
From: Shlomi Fish
To: beginners@perl.org
Cc: Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez
Subject: Re: New Document:
"How to Start Contributing to or Using Open Source Software"
On Monday 27 Dec 2010 21:44:05 Alvaro Mantil
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 04:18, Brandon McCaig wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Raymond Wan wrote:
>> Core Perl experts that think it's just them and beginners on the list
>> "risk" scaring people in the middle groups away, further making the
>> problem worse [for them]. No??
>
> This whol
From: "Brandon McCaig"
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Raymond Wan wrote:
> An extension to your reasoning is that there aren't just two groups of
> users on this list -- advanced and newbies -- but multiple levels.
> Beginners who don't follow the advanced programmers' rules may have
> questions
From: "Raymond Wan" On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 00:06, Octavian
Rasnita wrote:
> Better say that bottom-post is an old habit (and advanced programmers usually
> have old habits and not the newbies) and that the rules are enforced by the
> advanced programmers because they can help the others, and th
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Raymond Wan wrote:
> An extension to your reasoning is that there aren't just two groups of
> users on this list -- advanced and newbies -- but multiple levels.
> Beginners who don't follow the advanced programmers' rules may have
> questions that intermediate progr
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 00:06, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Better say that bottom-post is an old habit (and advanced programmers usually
> have old habits and not the newbies) and that the rules are enforced by the
> advanced programmers because they can help the others, and they want to
> everyon
From: "Octavian Rasnita"
> From: "Jenda Krynicky"
> >> There was a period when it was OK to follow that old netiquette
> >> that said that bottom-posting is the good way, but now it isn't.
> >
> > Because you said so?
>
> Yes. Me and many others.
>
> I bottom post (on Perl - related mailing li
From: "Jenda Krynicky"
>> And by the way, there was a period when it was OK to say words like "black"
>> but now it isn't.
...
>
> And it was a much better period. Fuck newspeak and fuck political
> correctness. Rose, the same as shit, under any other name would smell
Better for who? For yo
People. Go -f>@+?*<.-&'_:$#/%! yourselves. How about some more Perl, and a
lot less fucking drama?
At least be original (or copypaste from Stack Overflow[0]) and do this on
topic, folks.
By the way, happy new year!
[0]
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/234075/what-is-your-best-programmer-joke/2
From: "Octavian Rasnita"
> This answer is very good for "Top posts don't bother me as much as
> those who don't trim the quotes." also. :-) When top-posting, the
> advantage is that it is not important how many messages remain at the
> bottom, exactly because nobody reads what's
From: "Shawn H Corey"
> On 10-12-31 10:58 PM, jeff pang wrote:
>> Another problem:
>> Shawn your signature message is too long to read.:)
>>
>> Regards.
>
> Doesn't matter; nobody reads those things anyway. :)
This answer is very good for "Top posts don't bother me as much as those who
don't
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 03:32, Uri Guttman wrote:
>> "RW" == Raymond Wan writes:
> RW> Saying the other tutorials are garbage is quite harsh and a bit
> RW> disrespectful to the authors who presumably meant well and didn't do
> RW> it to sabotage Perl's reputation. Maybe they aren't helpfu
On 10-12-31 10:58 PM, jeff pang wrote:
Another problem:
Shawn your signature message is too long to read.:)
Regards.
Doesn't matter; nobody reads those things anyway. :)
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Shawn
Confusion is the first step of understanding.
Programming is as m
Hi Parag,
CCing the list.
On Monday 27 Dec 2010 22:33:08 Parag Kalra wrote:
> Hi Shlomi,
>
> Really nice article. Very informative indeed. Keep the good work and I
> really appreciate your efforts and contribution towards OpenSource.
I'm glad you like it. ( And it's not "OpenSource" but "open s
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:35:37 +0200, Shlomi Fish
wrote:
On the other hand, most of my
posts (and those of most other active members of the lists) were
replies
for people asking for help, while trying to be helpful. And since I
subscribed I've posted much more posts than you.
Why do you f
2011/1/1 Shawn H Corey :
>
> Top posts don't bother me as much as those who don't trim the quotes. Other
> problems:
>
Another problem:
Shawn your signature message is too long to read. :)
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On 10-12-31 02:25 PM, Chap Harrison wrote:
And - seriously - thanks to the volunteers for their patience and effort.
Given enough eyeballs, all questions are answerable (to paraphrase ESR:-)
Chap
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Happy new years to all of you too!
>
>
that the context is obvious. :-)
>
> Octavian
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chap Harrison"
> To: "Perl Beginners"
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [OT] New Document: "How to Start Contributing to or Using Open
> "RW" == Raymond Wan writes:
RW> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 13:28, Uri Guttman wrote:
>>> "NA" == Nathan Arthur writes:
>> NA> from books/tutorials, from this list, and by just writing it. I spent
>> NA> a bunch of time with online tutorials and books before really getting
>>
Happy new years to all of you too!
Sorry for top-post. I think that the context is obvious. :-)
Octavian
- Original Message -
From: "Chap Harrison"
To: "Perl Beginners"
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] New Document: "How to Start Cont
Love conquers all - even those thorny, iconoclastic Perl gurus! Happy New Year.
Chap
(oops, sorry for the top-post ;-)
On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:30 AM, jeff pang wrote:
> 2010/12/31 Raymond Wan :
>
>>
>> If we leave it to just the people who "contribute and help", then it's
>> no longer a list f
2010/12/31 Raymond Wan :
>
> If we leave it to just the people who "contribute and help", then it's
> no longer a list for beginners. It's for the contributors to post
> among themselves.
>
Right. Anyway Happy New Year all Perl gurus and beginners!
Regards.
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 13:28, Uri Guttman wrote:
>> "NA" == Nathan Arthur writes:
> NA> from books/tutorials, from this list, and by just writing it. I spent
> NA> a bunch of time with online tutorials and books before really getting
> NA> started, so most of my interest in this list is
> "NA" == Nathan Arthur writes:
NA> First, some background - I'm a long-time programmer, primarily in
NA> java, secondarily in PHP and shell script. I have started working
NA> with a new team who uses perl, so I've had to learn it - from them,
NA> from books/tutorials, from this list
Hello,
I have been lurking on this list for a few months, and I thought
perhaps you'd all like the perspective of a 'newbie' about this issue.
First, some background - I'm a long-time programmer, primarily in
java, secondarily in PHP and shell script. I have started working
with a new team who u
Hi all,
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 19:35, Shlomi Fish wrote:
>> If we take off the parts where you just rip through
>> people's style, platform, or design choices, or reprimand them for not
>> following what you consider to be the One True Way of writing emails,
>> the number is good, but not that
Shlomi,
I'm new to Perl, but I perceive your posts to be among the most well thought
out opinions/instructions on this list and appreciate your willingness to
help. Certainly, your comments are pointed and clear, but you consistently
reference coding styles and idioms that seem to be agreed upo
Dear all
Without involving in this dicussion deeply , i just want to mention
my view . As a newbie in perl as well in this forum i found Shlomi
Fish answers very useful and to the point. So i think blaming
spamming short of thing is not right.
Thanks
On 12/30/10, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On W
On Wednesday 29 Dec 2010 15:11:22 jeff pang wrote:
> 2010/12/29 Erez Schatz :
> > Since most of your posts are related to directing people to your site,
> > I'd say we are about even. In more tightly-moderated lists you'd be
> > banned for spamming.
>
> I agree with this point.
> Directing everyon
Hi Erez,
On Wednesday 29 Dec 2010 09:37:44 Erez Schatz wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 01:04 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > Hello Erez (and all),
> >
> > On Tuesday 28 Dec 2010 11:01:40 Erez Schatz wrote:
> >> This is so blatantly OT it shouldn't be on this list.
> >
> > Maybe my impression is a bit biased,
On 2010-12-29, at 8:11 AM, jeff pang wrote:
> 2010/12/29 Erez Schatz :
>
>> Since most of your posts are related to directing people to your site,
>> I'd say we are about even. In more tightly-moderated lists you'd be
>> banned for spamming.
>
> I agree with this point.
> Directing everyone to
2010/12/29 Erez Schatz :
> Since most of your posts are related to directing people to your site,
> I'd say we are about even. In more tightly-moderated lists you'd be
> banned for spamming.
I agree with this point.
Directing everyone to a personal site is always considered rude.
Regards.
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T
On 12/28/2010 01:04 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hello Erez (and all),
>
> On Tuesday 28 Dec 2010 11:01:40 Erez Schatz wrote:
>> This is so blatantly OT it shouldn't be on this list.
>>
>
> Maybe my impression is a bit biased, but it seems to me that most of your
> posts to this list are replies to
Hello Erez (and all),
On Tuesday 28 Dec 2010 11:01:40 Erez Schatz wrote:
> This is so blatantly OT it shouldn't be on this list.
>
Maybe my impression is a bit biased, but it seems to me that most of your
posts to this list are replies to my posts where you criticise them (and not
in a particu
This is so blatantly OT it shouldn't be on this list.
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Observations, not opinions.
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On Monday 27 Dec 2010 22:24:45 Jugurtha Hadjar wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I visited the page, and bookmarked it. It's funny, it's like you're
> describing almost the exact process I'm going through..
>
>
> About the programming part, I'm in Control/Feedback Systems, but I think
> that every person has
On Monday 27 Dec 2010 21:44:05 Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote:
> Hi,
>
>I think it is not fair to pointing the reader out directly to Linux.
> There are other systems out there more Open Source than Linux like OpenBSD
> (for example). I think a briedfly review of these other OS would be good
>
Linux -
OpenBSD - FreeBSD - NetBSD, etc...
Just my 2 cents.
Kind Regards,
Alvaro
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:56:21
From: Shlomi Fish
To: beginners@perl.org
Subject: New Document:
"How to Start Contributing to or Using Open Source Software
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I recently finished working on a new document titled "How to Start
> Contributing to or Using Open Source Software" intended to get more people
> involved in the world of free and open source software (FOSS). You can find it
> here:
Hello,
I visited the page, and bookmarked it. It's funny, it's like you're
describing almost the exact process I'm going through..
About the programming part, I'm in Control/Feedback Systems, but I think
that every person has something to benefit from learning to program..
I used to be ver
Hi all,
I recently finished working on a new document titled "How to Start
Contributing to or Using Open Source Software" intended to get more people
involved in the world of free and open source software (FOSS). You can find it
here:
http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/How_to_start_contri
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