[BangPypers] Oursql

Is there anyone in the group, any experience to report on Oursql 1]http://packages.python.org/oursql/ We are considering using to mine and extract a lot of information from huge complex MySQl database with a few hundred tables spanning several relationships. Someone recommended it on IRC, sayi

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:28 AM, ॥ स्वक्ष ॥ wrote: > Free software reverses all > cognitive bias'es (with respect to the individual's a(p)ttitude to > learning) and being an employer yourself, I hope you dont really mean > that people outside a University/College environment are not a worthy >

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:08, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > Free software would also entail that the user of the free software owns a > computer. That means that would easily disregard a large majority of the > population in our country. What kind of cognitive bias you really think you > can reverse?

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:41 PM, ॥ स्वक्ष ॥ wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:08, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > > > Free software would also entail that the user of the free software owns a > > computer. That means that would easily disregard a large majority of the > > population in our country. W

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:00 PM, srinivasa rao wrote: > hi > I have 5 years exp using Python/Django i want to give free training to all > please contact > bye > srini > > The price wars have started... Come on, is there someone now who is willing to pay me to teach me Django ? -- --Anand

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpil...@gmail.com> wrote: > The price wars have started... Come on, is there someone now who is willing > to pay me to teach me Django ? > > hehehe. You could start from here! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_(film)

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

> > The price wars have started... Come on, is there someone now who is willing > to pay me to teach me Django ? > i want to put my hat in the circle and pay for getting services , i am ok with Kenneth and you , will talk about the project details offline. -Satya

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

@॥ स्वक्ष ॥ he is saying the truth in above thread .debate of free vs non free going in a wrong path. so don't forget what is aim ? > free django training is open , but if some want pay donation is welcomed! >. DATE:19/6/2011 , venue :USO house,New Delhi > for outsider we may launch till online cl

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

> > > free django training is open , but if some want pay donation is welcomed! > >. DATE:19/6/2011 , venue :USO house,New Delhi > > for outsider we may launch till online cloud interface to learn > Details please course contents , contact hours etc.. appreciated . -Satya

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

vikas ruhil writes: >> @srinivasaenergy nice ,( city venue )? sure we team -up to train as > open-source > it sounds good ! [...] Open source is not necessarily free of cost. -- Behind every great man, there is a woman -- urging him on. -- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 451

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

Do not reply to trolls! On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > vikas ruhil writes: > > >> @srinivasaenergy nice ,( city venue )? sure we team -up to train as > > open-source > it sounds good ! > > [...] > > Open source is not necessarily free of cost. > > > -- > Behind every g

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > vikas ruhil writes: > > >> @srinivasaenergy nice ,( city venue )? sure we team -up to train as > > open-source > it sounds good ! > > [...] > > Open source is not necessarily free of cost. > +1 , i think we have lost the whole conversatio

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Do not reply to trolls! my theory is trolls! can be made to commit :-) , lets see . -Satya ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpyper

[BangPypers] The myth of free software

I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in them. However I thought I must write my views on this subject separately. Also before I start my tirade, I want to make a couple of disclaimers. Come to think of it, I should make a blog post of this. However since my mind wa

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in > them. However I thought I must write my views on this subject separately. > Also before I start my tirade, I want to make a couple of disclaimers. Come > to think of

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Thanks for your view and reply. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in > > them. However I thought I must write my views on this subject separate

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

> course outline is cs-201-python/django-summer-2011 1) Understanding django & install setup , basic usage 2) Web development (django vs wep2py , who is better) 3) Google app engine 4) Creating Facebook app using GAE +django 5) Web server set up & usage 6) Database setup & usage 7) ORM (Object

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

You missed 4) Found a company to sell services and support around your open source product. (MySQL, RedHat, Pentaho) 5) Found a company whose commercial offerings (services/products) you popularise by bouncing off the popularity of your open source (37 Signals, Thoughtbot) Does a business model ex

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Sidu Ponnappa wrote: > You missed > 4) Found a company to sell services and support around your open source > product. (MySQL, RedHat, Pentaho) > Great! so what percentage of the worldwide revenue of MySql, redhat, pentaho etc etc you own? Next to Zilch! > 5)

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On 16-May-11, at 11:51 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [snip] As long as people like you don't see the problem, India will always remain a second class power in the software world. Do you know that the entire software exports of India today is only 5% of the total software exports of the world? T

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

> > I've heard all sorts of arguments against FOSS*, but the idea that it is a > moral/nationalistic imperative to charge for software? This one is new. > Kudos. > I think you must read this thread very carefully again. Where did I say anything against FOSS? Where did I say software must be charge

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On 17-May-11, at 12:59 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [snip] I think you must read this thread very carefully again. Where did I say anything against FOSS? Where did I say software must be charged? Don't put words into my mouth just for your arguments sake. I could certainly quote bits of your o

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

In that case why don't you explain your point in a very "coherent" manner, so that we lesser mortals get it. What are you saying with respect to the subject of this thread? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 12:59 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > [snip] > >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

> So my question is, what shit are you talking about based in India? Please, Please Enlighten me? I found your first mail rather offensive to begin with, and I find your response even more so now that you've decided to get personal. Clearly you consider yourself very l33t if you choose to address p

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On 17-May-11, at 1:32 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: In that case why don't you explain your point in a very "coherent" manner, so that we lesser mortals get it. What are you saying with respect to the subject of this thread? When you write something like this: > So my question is, what shit a

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between San Fransisco and the location of this OpenSource/Startup Project". Ya ya, this is hilarious. But thi

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

hi Thanks to all your responce but we need to plan with out fail to attend I have real time experience on python and share my experience sure i would like to take events for collage students or at colleges better we can save money but we need to take permission from college and i will take some spe

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 20:22 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Disclaimer 2. I am not an expert on the subject of free Vs paid. this is obvious - I suggest you stick to things you are an expert on. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 06:51 +0530, srinivasa rao wrote: > Thanks to all your responce but we need to plan with out fail to > attend > I have real time experience on python and share my experience sure i > would > like to take events for collage students or at colleges better we can > save > money b

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Thanks for your great viewpoint Guru. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 20:22 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > Disclaimer 2. I am not an expert on the subject of free Vs paid. > > this is obvious - I suggest you stick to things you are an expert on.

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

> Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. > > "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup > Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between San > Fransisco and the location of this OpenSource/Startup Project". > > Ya ya, this is hilari

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > > Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. > > > > "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup > > Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between > San > > Fransisco and the location

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > Ridiculous is the right word not hilarious, when you make such > > generalisation, and spins new theories > > > > Thanks for pointing out how ridiculous what I said was, and I am glad you > understood what I was talking about. Thanks Agai

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Hey, thanks for the good words, and I entirely agree with you. My humble effort here is to try and put a mirror in the face of the entire Indian software Industry. They need to look into the mirror and understand what is going on. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: > On Tue, M

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Hey, thanks for the good words, and I entirely agree with you. My humble > effort here is to try and put a mirror in the face of the entire Indian > software Industry. They need to look into the mirror and understand what is > going on. > >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > > Hey, thanks for the good words, and I entirely agree with you. My humble > > effort here is to try and put a mirror in the face of the entire Indian > > software Industry. They n

Re: [BangPypers] Pyramid and open-id

On 02-May-2011, at 12:35 PM, Baiju M wrote: > Flask has one OpenID extension: > http://packages.python.org/Flask-OpenID/ +1 for the Flask-OpenID plugin. I just used it and it works like a charm. You may need to port this code for Pyramid, though, as Flask is heavily dependent on thread-local pr

Re: [BangPypers] Web Application Development

On 05-May-2011, at 5:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Flask - Young and lightweight. Flexible with components (you can mix and > match parts). Very well documented, good community. > > There's a bunch of offshoots of Zope (which was one of the earliest > successfuly Python projects) like Grok, web2

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

You're confusing open source, free software and free of cost software. Also, your approach and choice of words is not one that kindles a healthy debate. I don't expect this thread to lead anywhere useful. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > You're confusing open source, free software and free of cost software. > Also, your approach and choice of words is not one that kindles a > healthy debate. I don't expect this t

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Hi, On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? > This is from your disclaimer: Disclaimer 2. I am not an expert on the subject of free Vs paid. and that's what Noufal said. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivaku

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

And ya, and you still don't have anything to say for yourself!??? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar < benignb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? > > > >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Hi, On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > And ya, and you still don't have anything to say for yourself!??? > Well, I normally don't reply when people use strong and foul language(No, don't ask me to quote it; the whole list knows) without any valid reason. Now that yo

Re: [BangPypers] Pyramid and open-id

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > On 02-May-2011, at 12:35 PM, Baiju M wrote: > >> Flask has one OpenID extension: >> http://packages.python.org/Flask-OpenID/ > > +1 for the Flask-OpenID plugin. I just used it and it works like a charm. > > You may need to port this code

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Ya okay, so I agree with whatever you say. So what are you suggesting? There are a lot of very intelligent people around here, and I can see that you are one of them, my apologies for being a lesser brain damaged soul. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar < benignb...@gmail.co

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Intention of open source/free software is to save the cost, not to generate revenue. You can save the cost by using it out-of-box software or you can customize it to your need so that you will not produce the complete clone of it. My strong point is that "Generating money is left to a business/ind

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Agreed! Thanks! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani < gopalakrishnan.subram...@gmail.com> wrote: > Intention of open source/free software is to save the cost, not to generate > revenue. You can save the cost by using it out-of-box software or you can > customize it to your