Some interesting comments from reddit (alluding to authority and a
servile attitude):
[quote]'(...)he found Indian programmers to be very reluctant to speak
up to management. He said they would rarely, if ever, say they were
overburdened with too much work, and instead of asking for help, or
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Saturday 13 June 2009 16:07:42 Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
> > Doctor? Architect? Lawyer? They require dedicating a serious chunk of
> your
> > life and are one-way streets.
>
> not so. I am just back from interviewing over a hundred wo
On Saturday 13 June 2009 16:07:42 Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
> Doctor? Architect? Lawyer? They require dedicating a serious chunk of your
> life and are one-way streets.
not so. I am just back from interviewing over a hundred would-be programmers
whose parents have dedicated a serious chunk of the
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
> 2009/6/12 Srijayanth Sridhar :
>> I don't doubt that its a global phenomenon, however, I am still curious
>> about the reasons for its prevalence out here.
>
> I will add my little theory to this discussion.
>
> If you are from a middle c
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
> I will add my little theory to this discussion.
>
Hahahaha :D
Nice writeup.
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> Take TCS, they have 50K java programmers- they can't afford to retrain
them.
It is not so much the effort involved to retrain
in a particular programming language as it is to change the prevelant
culture. I am curious to see how they change and adapt,
as I am skeptical that the cost difference ad
This is not the first time someone has questioned, why it is Indians most
often caught asking questions without a little basic research.
There has been an interesting discussion on this topic on reddit recently.
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7wnha/more_hword_confusion_a_blog_post_ab
2009/6/12 Srijayanth Sridhar :
> I don't doubt that its a global phenomenon, however, I am still curious
> about the reasons for its prevalence out here.
I will add my little theory to this discussion.
If you are from a middle class background with no appetite for
entrepreneurial risk, but want a
On Friday 12 June 2009 14:05:18 Mandar Gokhale wrote:
> Jayanth: I've come to lament the factory like nature of IT in India. People
> learn extremely minimal subset of specialized skills. I've had chaps who
> can't see beyond .NET or Java very simply because these are industry
> idioms. I tell them
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Friday 12 June 2009 14:30:57 Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>> What are your experiences as a person from a "small town"? My question is
>> more directed towards your 'programming culture' now vis-a-vis to your
>> programming culture from yo
On Friday 12 June 2009 19:14:36 Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Sridhar
>
> Ratnakumar wrote:
> > Now do you think a person who is lazy to type a few characters in an
> > Internet search engine (as evidenced by "Is there any tutorial. Should
> > we include any library?") wou
On Friday 12 June 2009 14:30:57 Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> What are your experiences as a person from a "small town"? My question is
> more directed towards your 'programming culture' now vis-a-vis to your
> programming culture from your small town?
I am both 'from' and mostly 'in' a small town.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> 2009/6/12 Srijayanth Sridhar :
> > As we speak:
> >
> > http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/339092
> >
> > Jayanth
>
> Don't blame the poor chap here. Blame microsoft for that cryptic error
> message.
>
> "'nmake' i
2009/6/12 Srijayanth Sridhar :
> As we speak:
>
> http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/339092
>
> Jayanth
Don't blame the poor chap here. Blame microsoft for that cryptic error message.
"'nmake' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 18:12, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
>
> While a name like "Manmohan Singh Ph.D(oxford econ)" may be treated
> with suspicion, I see no problem
> with a name like Rita Rai. I do not care for real names, as long as
> the nick you use is acts as smart you are in real life.
ah, now you
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Kamal govindraj wrote:
[..]
> I also feel that we need to either ignore such requests (unless the list
> gets inundated by those) are politely guide them to ways they can solve
> such issues on their own / better ways of asking questions. Being rude
> will not help
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Sridhar
Ratnakumar wrote:
> Now do you think a person who is lazy to type a few characters in an
> Internet search engine (as evidenced by "Is there any tutorial. Should
> we include any library?") would be interested at all in reading a
> 60,000 words document?
On
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar
> wrote:
>> Names are irrelevant on the internet, so I agree with both of you in a
>> certain way.
>
> Well, there is one way to be relevant in programming circles,
> which is often conden
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> Names are irrelevant on the internet, so I agree with both of you in a
> certain way.
Well, there is one way to be relevant in programming circles,
which is often condensed to -- "show your code or GTFO".
Ruby language recently lost a
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM, vid wrote:
>> >
>>
>
Great discussion... the next time someone posts a "non-curious"
question
in this list, let us be wise like Solomon
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM, vid wrote:
> > hmm kindly define "real name"[0], "real identity" with respect to
> > the online world. If the owner of had used
> > "Manmohan Singh" or "Rita Rai" instead of "testing123 test", would you
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM, vid wrote:
> hmm kindly define "real name"[0], "real identity" with respect to
> the online world. If the owner of had used
> "Manmohan Singh" or "Rita Rai" instead of "testing123 test", would you
> trust them more ?
>
> [0] i've been using a nick, for years a
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:01, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Sridhar
> Ratnakumar wrote:
>> I often think the best way to handle such posters is to momentarily
>> divert the topic of the conversation to their own interest-level,
>> curiosity and self-learning .
... a nic
>
> I have worked with many people who are very reluctant to post to a forum
> asking for help. They will spend a whole day trying to figure out the
> issue all by themselves. It became so bad that we had to institute a 30
> minutes rule (if you can't solve an issue in 30 minutes - seek help) to
>
> I've considered this argument of a large working population being the
> reason
> for this. However this argument doesn't hold up because, if this
> supposition
> were true, then what would also be true is that the number of posts by
> people in the Indian developer community would be high. I find
>
>
> Anyway, this kind of questions are normally seen with devs who are
> just starting off and doesn't have either the curiosity or the time to
> devote some time to look at the issues, before asking for help.
> Most of the time they can be correct with a gentle nudge in the righ
> direction
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jeff Rush wrote:
> Mandar Gokhale wrote:
> > Okay, that was really hilarious. But I still believe the issue is not
> > confined to Indian developers but *stupid* developers from everywhere.
>
> It definitely is not confined to Indian developers - I see it from
> d
Mandar Gokhale wrote:
> Okay, that was really hilarious. But I still believe the issue is not
> confined to Indian developers but *stupid* developers from everywhere.
It definitely is not confined to Indian developers - I see it from
developers in the United States as well. I'd say it's more from
>
>
>
> I've considered this argument of a large working population being the
> reason for this. However this argument doesn't hold up because, if this
> supposition were true, then what would also be true is that the number of
> posts by people in the Indian developer community would be high. I fi
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Mandar Gokhale wrote:
> Okay, that was really hilarious. But I still believe the issue is not
> confined to Indian developers but *stupid* developers from everywhere. Maybe
> the sheer size of the software industry in India as well as the nature of a
> lot of work
*not bothering
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Okay, that was really hilarious. But I still believe the issue is not
confined to Indian developers but *stupid* developers from everywhere. Maybe
the sheer size of the software industry in India as well as the nature of a
lot of work done in that industry creates a lot of people who want instant
a
As we speak:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/339092
Jayanth
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> the problem is that our education systems teaches tools and not concepts.
>> And
>> industry also wants people who can use tools and cannot think
>
> the problem is that our education systems teaches tools and not concepts.
> And
> industry also wants people who can use tools and cannot think for
> themselves.
> Remember that most of our so-called IT industry does not produce software,
> but
> just writes code.
>
While I agree that the prob
>
> Just a slightly unrelated question here...doesn't the industry follow
> .NET and Java more than Python/Perl as well? (I've heard this said by
> several people in the States as well.) So maybe a change in the industry
> mindset would help..
>
>
True, but my larger point was about their unwi
On Friday 12 June 2009 13:59:09 Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sriram Narayanan
wrote:
> > I've concluded that a vast number of our developers are actually
> > incompetent, and also clueless on how to self-study and to conduct a
> > search. Perhaps our education system h
Jayanth: I've come to lament the factory like nature of IT in India. People
learn extremely minimal subset of specialized skills. I've had chaps who
can't see beyond .NET or Java very simply because these are industry idioms.
I tell them stuff about perl, python or ruby and I get back "but those ar
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar
wrote:
> Good points, but what I am most curious about is why this phenomenon is so
> prevalent in the Indian dev community and not as pervasive elsewhere. The
> ruby community is rife with apt examples. The average Indian developer will
> pop u
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> I've concluded that a vast number of our developers are actually
> incompetent, and also clueless on how to self-study and to conduct a
> search. Perhaps our education system has conditioned their minds to
> mug up and to read various stud
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Friday 12 June 2009 12:34:18 Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> > wrt my earlier question, the following blog is a nice writeup. I realize
> > its Ruby, but the general principles of posting on a newsgroup/forum
> apply.
> >
> > http://blog.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Srijayanth
Sridhar wrote:
[..]
> I've come to lament the factory like nature of IT in India. People learn
> extremely minimal subset of specialized skills. I've had chaps who can't see
> beyond .NET or Java very simply because these are industry idioms. I tell
> th
On Friday 12 June 2009 12:34:18 Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> wrt my earlier question, the following blog is a nice writeup. I realize
> its Ruby, but the general principles of posting on a newsgroup/forum apply.
>
> http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/posts/jamesbritt/and_your_Mom_too.html
including
Hello,
wrt my earlier question, the following blog is a nice writeup. I realize its
Ruby, but the general principles of posting on a newsgroup/forum apply.
http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/posts/jamesbritt/and_your_Mom_too.html
Thank you,
Jayanth
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Srijayanth
Yeah, I second your thoughts on incompetence. My company's conducting
interviews of freshers, and you'll be amazed at the answers I get for "What
is a hash table?". One bright bulb answered it with "It is a hash function
table". My standard opening interview question is to ask them to write a
simpl
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Sridhar
Ratnakumar wrote:
> Now do you think a person who is lazy to type a few characters in an
> Internet search engine (as evidenced by "Is there any tutorial. Should
> we include any library?") would be interested at all in reading a
> 60,000 words document?
I
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> (...) it might still be worth answering them,
In light of this conversation's topic, we certainly wouldn't
spoon-feed them, would we?
> at the same time also
> pointing them to a net etiquette
> link [2].
> [2] http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smar
Depends upon the focus of the thread as well right? I mean a lot of threads,
like this one, will have an overwhelming prevalence of Indian people. Seems
to me that labeling the average Indian developer that way just might be a
tad unfair.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar
wrot
Good points, but what I am most curious about is why this phenomenon is so
prevalent in the Indian dev community and not as pervasive elsewhere. The
ruby community is rife with apt examples. The average Indian developer will
pop up and demand answers for a really silly Rails question or something.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Sridhar
Ratnakumar wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar
> wrote:
> I don't know the reasons either, but would like to know too.
>
> I often think the best way to handle such posters is to momentarily
> divert the topic of the conversation t
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Jayanth. I am new to BangPypers and Python in general. I have
> been working on Ruby however so I am not lost or anything.
>
> I wanted to point out that on ruby-lang several posters from India seem to
> have no conce
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