Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-09-11 Thread Radosław Korzeniewski
Hello, 2017-08-23 17:06 GMT+02:00 Dimitri Maziuk : > On 2017-08-22 21:26, Heitor Faria wrote: > > It usually cost a new tape library, a new set of tapes and coffee. >> It is not that hard to migrate legacy backups if you use a backup >> rotation strategy such as GFS and works in a common company

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-09-11 Thread Radosław Korzeniewski
Hello, 2017-08-22 17:01 GMT+02:00 Dimitri Maziuk : > > However if you want to backup to removable disks and put them on the shelf > when full, that's where things get less than perfect fast. > > And make it behave like a tape when you complain it is not a tape. :) P.S. Please excuse my joke abov

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-25 Thread Dan Langille
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > > On 08/23/17 11:06, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: >> On 2017-08-22 21:26, Heitor Faria wrote: >> >>> It usually cost a new tape library, a new set of tapes and coffee. >>> It is not that hard to migrate legacy backups if you use a backup rotation

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 2017-08-25 06:52, Josh Fisher wrote: 1 "copy" disk, and 10 "magazines" -- or 5 raid=1 "magazines". It's certainly doable but I'll have to swap the disks twice as often I don't quite understand. It will take twice the disk space whether using RAID1 or rsync. There is only one copy disk

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-25 Thread Josh Fisher
On 8/24/2017 10:49 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: On 2017-08-24 09:24, Josh Fisher wrote: As for writing the same job to two disks simultaneously, I don't think that will be very easy to accomplish. It would, I believe, require a new Device type driver in Bacula that atomically reserves two Devic

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-24 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 2017-08-24 09:24, Josh Fisher wrote: As for writing the same job to two disks simultaneously, I don't think that will be very easy to accomplish. It would, I believe, require a new Device type driver in Bacula that atomically reserves two Device resources at a time. Why not use Copy jobs? O

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-24 Thread Josh Fisher
On 8/22/2017 7:13 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: On 08/22/2017 05:07 PM, Dan Langille wrote: On Aug 22, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: However if you want to backup to removable disks and put them on the shelf when full, that's where things get less than perfect fast. Is this a common

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-24 Thread muhasin
JobId 781: Restart Incomplete Backup JobId 781, Job=compute.2017-08-24_19.22.24_08 - Original Message - From: "Dimitri Maziuk" To: "bacula-users" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions On 2017-08-23 10

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-23 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 2017-08-23 10:27, Phil Stracchino wrote: If you want to get a long service life out of a modern tape drive you practically need to have a clean-room for it. We have a Sun Blade 150 complete with 2 AIT jukeboxes (1 and 3 IIRC), working install of Legato Networker, and a couple of sets backu

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-23 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 08/23/17 11:06, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On 2017-08-22 21:26, Heitor Faria wrote: > >> It usually cost a new tape library, a new set of tapes and coffee. >> It is not that hard to migrate legacy backups if you use a backup rotation >> strategy such as GFS and works in a common company with 1-5

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-23 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 2017-08-22 21:26, Heitor Faria wrote: It usually cost a new tape library, a new set of tapes and coffee. It is not that hard to migrate legacy backups if you use a backup rotation strategy such as GFS and works in a common company with 1-5 maximum montly/yearly retention backups. I repeat

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread muhasin
ONLY when it has been marked USED. How to achieve this without performance issues. - Original Message - From: "Phil Stracchino" To: "bacula-users" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions On 08/22/17 1

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Heitor Faria
Hello, Dimitri/Phil, >>> They have the largest life expectancy (30 years) under ideal conditions, >>> they >>> are very inexpensive and scalable. >>> I don't see why not to use them. >> >> How many times have you migrated your complete LTO archives and how much >> did it cost you? It usually co

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 08/22/17 20:20, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On 08/22/2017 06:52 PM, Heitor Faria wrote: > >> They have the largest life expectancy (30 years) under ideal conditions, >> they are very inexpensive and scalable. >> I don't see why not to use them. > > How many times have you migrated your complete L

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 08/22/2017 06:52 PM, Heitor Faria wrote: > They have the largest life expectancy (30 years) under ideal conditions, they > are very inexpensive and scalable. > I don't see why not to use them. How many times have you migrated your complete LTO archives and how much did it cost you? http://sp

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Heitor Faria
Hello, People, >>> However if you want to backup to removable disks and put them on the shelf >>> when >>> full, that's where things get less than perfect fast. >> >> Is this a common use case? I'm not challenging your approach. I am seeking >> knowledge about how Bacula gets used. > > I don't

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 08/22/2017 05:07 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >> On Aug 22, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: >> >> However if you want to backup to removable disks and put them on the shelf >> when full, that's where things get less than perfect fast. > > Is this a common use case? I'm not challenging yo

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Dan Langille
> On Aug 22, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > On 2017-08-22 03:10, Kern Sibbald wrote: >> Dimitri, >> I have heard the same complaint from you a number of times: "Bacula sucks at >> disk as tapes". It is my view that your statement is simply not true. > > I think at the very basic

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 08/22/2017 01:42 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > I would argue that if you're doing a full checksum rsync of a > multi-terabyte drive, you're probably going about the task wrong. If I > were to implement a scheme like this, I'd do volume-per-job, I'd use a > run-after-job that appended the volume

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 08/22/17 14:27, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On 08/22/2017 12:27 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > >>> So I've a post-backup script that figures out which of the vchanger >>> "magazines" is the "current" one and rsyncs it to anther drive. That way >>> if a drive dies during write, I lose at most the late

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 08/22/2017 12:27 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> So I've a post-backup script that figures out which of the vchanger >> "magazines" is the "current" one and rsyncs it to anther drive. That way >> if a drive dies during write, I lose at most the latest backup. > > That sounds like a pretty good i

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 08/22/17 13:10, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > We're using plain SATA drives in hot-swap bays. With vchanger they work > just fine for backup -- we haven't tried restoring anything from an > already removed disk yet -- but they do die on you even without dropping > 'em. > So I've a post-backup scri

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 08/22/2017 11:06 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > Ah, well now you're talking about a different issue. Because that's not > really a virtual-tape-on-disk problem. That's now a removable-storage > problem. Well, a tape is both. You can put a disk in a drive, fill it up with bytes, write an EOT in

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 08/22/17 11:01, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > Bacula, in fact, is much better than some, if you can fit all your > backups on a single filesystem: bacula's built-in disk backup setup is a > breeze. > > However if you want to backup to removable disks and put them on the > shelf when full, that's w

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 2017-08-22 03:10, Kern Sibbald wrote: Dimitri, I have heard the same complaint from you a number of times: "Bacula sucks at disk as tapes".  It is my view that your statement is simply not true. I think at the very basic level, a disk is a device that doesn't quack like a tape and doesn'

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread Kern Sibbald
Hello, Bacula Enterprise can do what you want, but it accomplishes it in a different way.  For Bacula Enterprise, there is software that allows MSPs/ISPs do multi-tenant implementations with Bacula ensuring that users (each tenant) can access only his/her o

Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula driver misconceptions

2017-08-22 Thread muhasin
Hi, Can we achieve this separate pool configuration, or multiple device storage in BACULA ENTERPRISE without any performance issues. I want maximum throughput may be for a 3000 vm's and each vm should have their backup separated. They must be able to see their individual backups and do what