[Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Christian Rupp
For newbies its very hard to install their first ppa and also if you know the way it takes you some time to install a ppa. Why don't just enable a short link like href="ppa://ppa:matthaeus123/mrw-gimp-svn" which addes this ppa automatically after asking whether you trust this source and enterin

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported features. I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't in the default repository and need to be installed via PPA. PPA installation shouldn't be too easy for newbies, because it can be risky for their system

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Eylem Koca
Exactly. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: > ... I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't in > the default repository and need to be installed via PPA. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Here is another question. How to convince app devellopers to want integration of their applications in the repos. I know there is a project for that (it's the next step after the website to integrate commercial app). But I can't find it again. Kévin 2011/9/4 Eylem Koca > Exactly. > > On Sun, Se

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi, On 4 September 2011 14:04, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: > I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported > features. I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't in > the default repository and need to be installed via PPA. > > PPA installation shouldn't be

[Ayatana] Balsamiq

2011-09-04 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi all, thanks to a kind reply from Jono to a comment I did on one of his posts, I discovered Balsamiq. I installed it and tested a bit and later I discovered this: http://www.mail-archive.com/launchpad-users@lists.launchpad.net/msg01068.html Since I was going to use it to prepare some mockups fo

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Florian Diesch
Christian Rupp writes: > For newbies its very hard to install their first ppa and also if you > know the way it takes you some time to install a ppa. Just add 'ppa:diesch/testing' (or whatever PPA you want) using the Software Sources dialog. > Why don't just enable a short link like > href="p

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Stefanos A.
2011/9/4 a.gra...@gmail.com > Hi, > > On 4 September 2011 14:04, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: > > I don't agree. PPA should be used only to install unstable / unsupported > > features. I think the problem is that a lot of very good programs aren't > in > > the default repository and need to be installed

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
There are a few things we need before we can consider making adding PPAs easy. First of all, we need an easy way to limit what packages can be upgraded/installed from that PPA. If you add a PPA because you want a set of fancy wallpapers, for instance, then that PPA should not be able to push a patc

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Shane Fagan
add-apt-repository does it pretty easily. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Christian Rupp wrote: > For newbies its very hard to install their first ppa and also if you know > the way it takes you some time to install a ppa. Why don't just enable a > short link like href="ppa://ppa:matthaeus123/mr

[Ayatana] How do I get to a lense without a mouse?

2011-09-04 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
We used to be able to use super+a to open the Applications lense and super+f to go to the Files and Folders lense. That appears to no longer be functional. So I press super to open the dash and I search, which seems to only show opened files. I can search for applications by tapping super, arrow do

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread zekopeko
I would really like it if people would stop using "freedom of choice" as a club to bash any design decision that has to be made. It is a balancing act instead. Too little choice and you get GNOME 3.0, too much choice and you get the mess that is KDE. Forcing users to make a choice for which they h

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi, On 4 September 2011 17:57, zekopeko wrote: > I would really like it if people would stop using "freedom of choice" > as a club to bash any design decision that has to be made. It is a > balancing act instead. Too little choice and you get GNOME 3.0, too > much choice and you get the mess that

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
I totally agree. But this have been discussed times ago (with evolution) and it seems not every one want this. 2011/9/3 Carl Ansell > At present, the only use for the mail icon in the panel is to set up > thunderbird (for email anyway). Once an account has been set up, it would be > useful for t

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 04. sep. 2011 17:57, skrev zekopeko: > I would really like it if people would stop using "freedom of choice" > as a club to bash any design decision that has to be made. It is a > balancing act instead. Too little choice and you get GNOME 3.0, too > much choice and you get the mess that is KDE.

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi, On 4 September 2011 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: > I totally agree. But this have been discussed times ago (with evolution) and > it seems not every one want this. > > 2011/9/3 Carl Ansell >> >> At present, the only use for the mail icon in the panel is to set up >> thunderbird (for email any

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread Carl Ansell
Surely this could be added as optional at the very least. The old 'me menu' was very different to the new 'messaging menu', maybe people would feel differently about it with the new layout and the combination of the 2 menus. It kinda misses the point of being a 'messaging menu', when in fact i

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread Carl Ansell
On 04/09/11 17:39, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 4 September 2011 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: I totally agree. But this have been discussed times ago (with evolution) and it seems not every one want this. 2011/9/3 Carl Ansell At present, the only use for the mail icon in the panel is to s

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread zekopeko
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Carl Ansell wrote: > On 04/09/11 17:39, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On 4 September 2011 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT  wrote: >>> >>> I totally agree. But this have been discussed times ago (with evolution) >>> and >>> it seems not every one want this. >>> >>>

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread Carl Ansell
On 04/09/11 19:22, zekopeko wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Carl Ansell wrote: On 04/09/11 17:39, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 4 September 2011 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOTwrote: I totally agree. But this have been discussed times ago (with evolution) and it seems not every one want t

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi, On 4 September 2011 20:38, Carl Ansell wrote: > Really its checking emails in the background that I would want most of all, > and when I heard about all of the work they had done integrating Thunderbird > with Unity, I did think that this would be one of the things they had done. a technical

Re: [Ayatana] Thunderbird needs tighter panel integration

2011-09-04 Thread Carl Ansell
I have absolutely no idea :( All I know is that there is an extension added for Unity support that seemingly adds a number badge to the launcher icon. And isn't working for me. Maybe someone else can give a better answer. On 04/09/11 20:31, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 4 September 2011

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Christian Rupp
Maybe we should find a way in the middle. I mean: if you want a secure system you should make installation of ppas harder. If you want a system which can be easily extented and is very end-user friendly you need a easier setup for ppas. So wouldn't it best to check the ppas and give them differ

Re: [Ayatana] make adding ppas easier

2011-09-04 Thread Paul Sladen
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Christian Rupp wrote: Hello Christian, > find a way in the middle. …checked ppas get an "easy to add link". Indeed, at the moment any PPA can provide (and override) any package in the system. Separating out archives that can provide core system infrastructure, from "leaf-nod