Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

But earlier when we discussed that option we came to the conclusion that it would make a very uninteresting and plain launcher. But I guess I could just change a few settings in the mockup to be able to test the result. I will look into that tomorrow. 2011/5/6 cmaglothin > I mean instead of "fad

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Why don't you try reversing the action, just as Jamu says, fading does seem a bit backwards. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist < niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com> wrote: > Since this doesn't seem to be the best solution for everyone I hope we can > work together on making a new desig

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Since this doesn't seem to be the best solution for everyone I hope we can work together on making a new design sketch which works. I will try a few different approaches and I hope that people will pitch in with their own ideas. Thanks guys for your feedback! 2011/5/6 Jamu Kakar > Hi Niklas,, >

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Hi Niklas,, On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > "But please tell me one reason why increasing the visibility of the > background of running apps isn't just as good in terms of visibility > with the added benefit of being always visible, not just on hover, >  i.e. more consi

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

I don't think he was talking about the initial fade you get after selecting your first app, where you would be moving away like you said. For me, the distraction is when you have an app running already, and then go back to the bar to hover over a diff app and it fades again (unless firefox is mang

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

> > http://unity-mockup.nsrosenqvist.com/ > > Source: > > http://unity-mockup.nsrosenqvist.com/source/unity-mockup.zip > The idea of having the boxes around the icons be clear when not > running and colored when running is a good one. the fading bit is > too distracting. I also found the fading t

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > "But please tell me one reason why increasing the visibility of the > background of running apps isn't just as good in terms of visibility > with the added benefit of being always visible, not just on hover, >  i.e. more consistent and mor

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Is it really? I mean you won't keep staring at the launcher when you've launched the application you wanted, right? Try the launcher again and then move away the focus of your eyes to the middle of the screen where your application probably will popup, try imagining it in a real life situation. 20

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 20:31, Spike Burch wrote: > The idea of having the boxes around the icons be clear when not > running and colored when running is a good one. the fading bit is too > distracting. Another approach for showing which applications are started could be to decrease the icon size

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

The idea of having the boxes around the icons be clear when not running and colored when running is a good one. the fading bit is too distracting. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > "But please tell me one reason why increasing the visibility of the > background of runnin

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

"But please tell me one reason why increasing the visibility of the background of running apps isn't just as good in terms of visibility with the added benefit of being always visible, not just on hover, i.e. more consistent and more usable." The reason for why I don't think that's such a good id

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > I think it would be a shame to desaturate the applications which aren't > running at all times. If you have the launcher set to always visible and > only one application running then it would look dark and boring, don't you > think? Not o

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

I think it would be a shame to desaturate the applications which aren't running at all times. If you have the launcher set to always visible and only one application running then it would look dark and boring, don't you think? And as I said in my previous post, I can't really see the use in showing

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > Is it really necessary to indicate which windows are hidden? I mean if you > cannot see it you can assume that it's hidden or somewhere else. Even if it > is hidden, it can still be accessed with alt+tab or super+("S" is it? I'm > not on a

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Is it really necessary to indicate which windows are hidden? I mean if you cannot see it you can assume that it's hidden or somewhere else. Even if it is hidden, it can still be accessed with alt+tab or super+("S" is it? I'm not on a Ubuntu machine at the moment) so there is a minimal practical dif

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Version 0.3: http://i.imgur.com/O7cfm.png Sorry... On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Ed Lin wrote: > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist > wrote: >> Can't we continue the discussion here since we are already arguing here? > > I think we should split it then, change the subject to so

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > Can't we continue the discussion here since we are already arguing here? I think we should split it then, change the subject to something like improving Unity for window-centric workflow (was: Idea for improving visibility of running app

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Hi. I can't use Compiz, because I'm using Via driver and there is no DRI support. I'm using Unity-2d. What do you think to implement this feature for Unity-2d? Best Regards Bartosz 2011/5/3 Niklas Rosenqvist : > Yes, it already exists. You only need to install CompizConfig Settings > Manager (C

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Ed Lin I apologize for the rudeness of my latests replies. The reason behind it was that I was getting frustrated of you just pointing out weaknesses without any proposed solutions except for doing it as Gnome Shell. As I said about the feature request am I new to this community and wasn't sure ab

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 3:43 AM, Evan Huus wrote: > This debate is getting rather heated, and I'm getting quoted and > rephrased a fair bit. Let me take this opportunity to clarify both > what I actually think: > > Unity is supposed to be considered 'application-centric'. ... > This model isn't for

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

This debate is getting rather heated, and I'm getting quoted and rephrased a fair bit. Let me take this opportunity to clarify both what I actually think: Unity is supposed to be considered 'application-centric'. In a truly application-centric system (see iPhones, for example) there is absolutely

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > "What you suggested is a far reaching, non-default behavior "option" >  and I still fail to see the point of it." > > That is because you still haven't read the discussion... I've read every mail of it, I think even twice, just to make su

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

"What you suggested is a far reaching, non-default behavior "option" and I still fail to see the point of it." That is because you still haven't read the discussion... "I'm not sure that would work very well: the default launcher would end up this ugly grey strip since no programs are run when y

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > Seriously aren't you understanding what we've been talking about? Most of us > agree on that the current implementation is working fine for the default > Ubuntu installation but Ubuntu is very open when it comes to configuration > and it i

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Yes, it already exists. You only need to install CompizConfig Settings Manager (CCSM) from Ubuntu Software Center and go to the Unity plugin and set the background lighting to toggle :) 2011/5/3 Bartosz > Hi All. > Thanks Niklas for this great mockup. > > The first/most left screen is what I wou

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Hi All. Thanks Niklas for this great mockup. The first/most left screen is what I would like to create in Unity. I didn't think about fading icons. Currently my desktop look like this: http://di.com.pl/pic/photo/oryginal/launcher_1304076215.jpg With opened Firefox, Writer, Shotwell and GIMP, it i

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

"More options that change the most fundamental and basic functionality of Unity? I strongly disagree this approach is the way forward. The objectively best solution should be default. The only goal of Unity should be to come as close to that as humanly possible. That's why I also don't go into CCSM

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > There you just pointed to the exact problem I'm trying to address! If you > look at the first frame of the mockup you see the current setup, the > programs that are running have an illuminated background together with the > arrow on the le

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

I can't give any response to that since it's not really my area :) But I just wanted to inform that I filled out a feature request! I hope it is in the right forum: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/776485 2011/5/3 Ian Santopietro > In that case, maybe taking another cue from Android would b

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

In that case, maybe taking another cue from Android would be apt. Don't remove applications from RAM unless they aren't running. Then, automatically remove older ones to make room for newly launched apps. That might help improve performance on older systems anyway. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 09:27, Ni

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

I personally like to know what's running and what's not. That way I can terminate unwanted applications in case I should need more RAM or reduce the load on the CPU. By the user knowing what applications are running you give him the freedom to do what he wants with them. I don't think it should be

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

I would argue that a user shouldn't need to know what's running. If they want to work with an application, they switch to it, running or not, and it comes back as they left it, running or not. It's a distinctly mobile thing to do, and it is probably not technically feasible right now, but think abo

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

This is probably the best way https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+filebug Attach the screenshot to the bug report. Cheers, James Gifford http://jamesrgifford.com On 05/03/2011 10:08 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > How would I do that? I've never done that before :) > > 2011/5/3 James Gifford

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Ed Lin please review the comments and answers I've provided: "You can't see what's running at a glance without hovering the launcher. Why? Does it make sense for the user? Does it increase usability? I doubt so, it's just for aesthetic reasons." There you just pointed to the exact problem I'm tr

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist > wrote: >> Here I have the finished mockup of how this configurable feature could >> work. For the future, what is the best way to share images with the >> ayatana mailing list? Is it by attaching the image to the email or >> upload it like I've

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

How would I do that? I've never done that before :) 2011/5/3 James Gifford > Nicely done. I like it. If someone can add a "feature request bug > report", I'd mark myself as being affected. > > Cheers, > James Gifford > http://jamesrgifford.com > > On 05/03/2011 08:13 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote:

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Nicely done. I like it. If someone can add a "feature request bug report", I'd mark myself as being affected. Cheers, James Gifford http://jamesrgifford.com On 05/03/2011 08:13 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > Here I have the finished mockup of how this configurable feature could > work. For the fu

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

How we do that? I've never done this before :) 2011/5/3 Toki Tahmid > I second Evan's opinion. I hope we can somehow register a feature-request > bug. > > > On 3 May 2011 16:33, Evan Huus wrote: > >> I can't speak for anyone else, but I quite like the look of it. >> >> Regarding images, you did

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

I second Evan's opinion. I hope we can somehow register a feature-request bug. On 3 May 2011 16:33, Evan Huus wrote: > I can't speak for anyone else, but I quite like the look of it. > > Regarding images, you did the right thing. Sending it as an attachment > is slow since the mail server has to

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

I can't speak for anyone else, but I quite like the look of it. Regarding images, you did the right thing. Sending it as an attachment is slow since the mail server has to copy the file to every single person on the list. Uploading it elsewhere and providing a link is best. Cheers, Evan On Tue,

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Here I have the finished mockup of how this configurable feature could work. For the future, what is the best way to share images with the ayatana mailing list? Is it by attaching the image to the email or upload it like I've done now? Here is the link: http://i.imgur.com/bnIAE.png 2011/5/3 Nikla

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Yeah me too, I will get working on a mockup tomorrow so that it's easier to imagining the end result! On 03/05/11 01:11, Evan Huus wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: Well what about making it toggle on the cursor hovering the launcher? And maybe resaturate (maybe

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > Well what about making it toggle on the cursor hovering the launcher? And > maybe resaturate (maybe partially) the current hovered item? So it's saturated normally, but when the mouse moves over it only running programs (and maybe the hov

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

Well what about making it toggle on the cursor hovering the launcher? And maybe resaturate (maybe partially) the current hovered item? On 02/05/11 23:57, Evan Huus wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: I just read Bartosz mail about that the running applications are

Re: [Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > I just read Bartosz mail about that the running applications aren't always > so easy to see and got an idea. Some icon sets, like Faenza which I use, is > very colorful and since the icons are squared they almost fill the whole > icon plac