Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Am Montag, den 15.03.2010, 21:45 +0530 schrieb Akshay Gupta: > I posted a GSoC project Idea on the ubuntu-soc list yesterday and I > thought it'd be more appropriate if I run it down by developers in the > Ayatana list. > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-soc/2010-March/47.html > > >

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 11:11 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 15/03/10 16:15, Akshay Gupta wrote: > > 1.) Make the OSD customizable > > * setting up persistence time > > * UI modifications over a basic structure > > * Font size/style > > ...other similar stuff we can decide

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 17/05/10 10:43, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan wrote: > On 15 March 2010 21:45, Akshay Gupta wrote: > >> Hey, all. >> I posted a GSoC project Idea on the ubuntu-soc list yesterday and I thought >> it'd be more appropriate if I run it down by developers in the Ayatana list. >> https://lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 15/03/10 16:15, Akshay Gupta wrote: > 1.) Make the OSD customizable > * setting up persistence time > * UI modifications over a basic structure > * Font size/style > ...other similar stuff we can decide upon. OK > 2.) Most of the above things would be customized by an OSD M

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 15 March 2010 21:45, Akshay Gupta wrote: > Hey, all. > I posted a GSoC project Idea on the ubuntu-soc list yesterday and I thought > it'd be more appropriate if I run it down by developers in the Ayatana list. > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-soc/2010-March/47.html > Some of the t

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

> what's most disturbing to anybody i discussed our bubbles with, is the > absence of a simple way to suppress or dismiss them. what's with that? i > don't necessarily need a configuration utility or a seperate section > within the appearance settings.. an ON/OFF button would suffice for my >

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 04/20/2010 10:42 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: A few design features that I have in mind (possibly conflicting from the specs in the wiki) : 1.) Stacking, that'd make the bubbles dock downwards as they are initiated and start to stack up as the bubble times finish away. The idea is th

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 20/04/10 09:42, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > 1.) Make the OSD customizable > > * setting up persistence time > > * UI modifications over a basic structure > > * Font size/style > > ...other similar stuff we can decide upon. > > This much has already been implemented by John

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 09:53 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > The notification design guidelines. > > > I don't think it's a destruction, so much as a correction. Developers of > software that runs on Ubuntu are often keen to use an interfa

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Rorie wrote on 16/03/10 13:16: >... > So let me ask this outright. What provisions have UX team made for > interactivity, outside the messaging applet? The notification design guidelines. >

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Akshay Sorry I didn't see your message until now. Akshay Gupta wrote on 15/03/10 16:47: >... > I posted a GSoC project Idea on the ubuntu-soc list yesterday and I > thought it'd be more appropriate if I run it down by developers in the > Ayatan

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 24/03/10 20:06, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > At the risk of sounding facetious, we are talking about *ephemeral* > notifications, correct? Somewhere along the line the vocabulary was > changed and it took me a few emails to realise people weren't talking > about look and feel. Unless light, airy,

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 24/03/10 20:27, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Conscious User wrote: > >> >>> At the risk of sounding facetious, we are talking about *ephemeral* >>> notifications, correct? Somewhere along the line the vocabulary was >>> changed and it took me a few emails t

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Conscious User wrote: > >> At the risk of sounding facetious, we are talking about *ephemeral* >> notifications, correct? Somewhere along the line the vocabulary was >> changed and it took me a few emails to realise people weren't talking >> about look and feel. Un

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

> At the risk of sounding facetious, we are talking about *ephemeral* > notifications, correct? Somewhere along the line the vocabulary was > changed and it took me a few emails to realise people weren't talking > about look and feel. Unless light, airy, and tenuous is some high > level experience

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 15/03/10 18:01, Jim Rorie wrote: >> Essentially, what the problem is that the spec removed a common desktop >> level interactive loop and replaced it with multiple ad-hoc application >> level paths.  It created the a problem similar to

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 24 March 2010 05:37, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op vrijdag 19-03-2010 om 08:53 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Mark > Shuttleworth: >> On 19/03/10 02:36, Jan Claeys wrote: >> >> I'm not sure a typical flasher is a good solution.  I think a >> subtle >> >> animation that triggered every 15 seconds or so

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Op vrijdag 19-03-2010 om 08:53 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Mark Shuttleworth: > On 19/03/10 02:36, Jan Claeys wrote: > >> I'm not sure a typical flasher is a good solution. I think a > subtle > >> animation that triggered every 15 seconds or so might be a better > >> match for the minimalist app

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 19/03/10 19:12, Sohail Mirza wrote: > Are any plans underway to produce just such a client in time for Lucid? No - contributions welcome! Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Po

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Are any plans underway to produce just such a client in time for Lucid? On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 19/03/10 15:00, Sohail Mirza wrote: > > With this focus on colours and subtle changes in brightness, what's > > the plan for accommodating users with vision imp

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 19/03/10 15:00, Sohail Mirza wrote: > With this focus on colours and subtle changes in brightness, what's > the plan for accommodating users with vision impairments? > > Under the outline you've given, users with even simple red-green > colour blindness would not be able to distinguish what the

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Mark, With this focus on colours and subtle changes in brightness, what's the plan for accommodating users with vision impairments? Under the outline you've given, users with even simple red-green colour blindness would not be able to distinguish what the severity of a message is. With a complet

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 3/19/10, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 19/03/10 02:22, Dylan McCall wrote: >> This begs the question: Why on Earth was the coloured wants-attention >> icon dropped? Could indicator-messages differentiate the importance of >> events and use a different icon accordingly? (For example, coloured >>

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:53 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > > > Before you pulled the functionality of the old notifier, you should have > > had AT LEAST A SPEC in place for the handling of new interactive > > notifications. Work something out fully now and silence the criticism. > > > > T

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

> Dimmed is an interesting option. We have been testing the idea of > using dimmed-to-full to indicate "you've got messages", but it looks > like messages are important enough that we should go further and use a > colour. Since it's positive, rather than an alarm or warning, green > would be appro

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 19/03/10 12:03, Conscious User wrote: > Mark, I've accidentally sent a direct message to you instead of the > Ayatana list, and thus the same happened with your reply, sorry. > > >> I wasn't clear, sorry. >> >> I think "outline" should mean "the capability is here but it is not >> being used"

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Mark, I've accidentally sent a direct message to you instead of the Ayatana list, and thus the same happened with your reply, sorry. > I wasn't clear, sorry. > > I think "outline" should mean "the capability is here but it is not > being used". So, for example, an outline of the wifi signal says

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 19/03/10 11:38, Jim Rorie wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > >> On 15/03/10 18:01, Jim Rorie wrote: >> > >> - ethereal notifications for things you can afford to miss >> - indicators for things that should persist (even across a reboot) >>

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

> The spectrum of attention-grabbiness, if you want to think of it that > way, is: > > - outline > - dimmed > - full mono > - green > - orange > - red Orange does not seem like a good idea, as it's very close to red. In my opinion, perhaps better (although not perfect) choices would be yel

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 15/03/10 18:01, Jim Rorie wrote: > > - ethereal notifications for things you can afford to miss > - indicators for things that should persist (even across a reboot) > - we'll try to create indicators which serve a general pur

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 19/03/10 02:22, Dylan McCall wrote: > This begs the question: Why on Earth was the coloured wants-attention > icon dropped? Could indicator-messages differentiate the importance of > events and use a different icon accordingly? (For example, coloured > icon for actual messages, just lit up for w

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 19/03/10 02:22, Dylan McCall wrote: > A while ago I suggested an extension to the indicator system for > badges; an application could define a 2 (maybe 3) digit text sequence > and a colour, and the applet would attach that to its indicator icon > in a consistent fashion. This has become a commo

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 19/03/10 02:36, Jan Claeys wrote: >> I'm not sure a typical flasher is a good solution. I think a subtle >> animation that triggered every 15 seconds or so might be a better >> match for the minimalist approach they are taking. >> > 15 seconds is a long time in some cases (remember the ex

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 16/03/10 12:38, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > Here's another datapoint I just noticed. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/440865 is still affecting and > confusing users. Incoming SIP calls in particular are difficult to > respond to in a timely manner. If it's a PSTN-originating call, users > only

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 15/03/10 18:01, Jim Rorie wrote: > Essentially, what the problem is that the spec removed a common desktop > level interactive loop and replaced it with multiple ad-hoc application > level paths. It created the a problem similar to the one that the > application indicator is trying to solve. >

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 15/03/10 17:18, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > We've been pushing this 'ethereal notification' idea for a long time. > Has anybody outside Ubuntu picked up on it? Why or why not? Is it a > direction that should be continued on, or is a course-change required? I wouldn't support any change in this. Ke

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Op donderdag 18-03-2010 om 21:47 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Jim Rorie: > But for people with a color deficit, the green isn't obvious. For people who have issues with seeing contrast the problem is similar of course... ;-) > The icon needs to change in some way. Right. And keep doing so.

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Jim Rorie wrote: > Agreed.  Currently it's not obvious which state it's in on laptops on > battery.  The green color was better, at least the state had better > contrast.  But for people with a color deficit, the green isn't obvious. > The icon needs to change in s

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Agreed. Currently it's not obvious which state it's in on laptops on battery. The green color was better, at least the state had better contrast. But for people with a color deficit, the green isn't obvious. The icon needs to change in some way. The no-Wifi indicator with both color and the excl

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Op donderdag 18-03-2010 om 22:32 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Nicholas Ipsen(Sephiroth_VII): > The indicator-applet is way more of an eyecatch in Lucid. Huh? It's actually worse for me, as the only thing it does is a small change in brightness of a small grey icon. To attract attention, it shou

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The indicator-applet is way more of an eyecatch in Lucid. Nicholas Ipsen ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/List

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Op dinsdag 16-03-2010 om 06:38 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Jeremy Nickurak: > Here's another datapoint I just noticed. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/440865 is still affecting and > confusing > users. Incoming SIP calls in particular are difficult to respond to in > a timely manner. If it's

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

I stand corrected on the mozilla front. However, if you look at the bug, the majority of the complaints were the removal of interactivity. I don't think anyone here is opposed to the current notifications. The work quite well, outside certain cases. So let me ask this outright. What provisions

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

Here's another datapoint I just noticed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/440865 is still affecting and confusing users. Incoming SIP calls in particular are difficult to respond to in a timely manner. If it's a PSTN-originating call, users only have a fixed amount of time to respond before the cal

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Jim Rorie wrote: > I haven't seen nor read about another distro picking it up, outside > those downstream from Ubuntu.  What's more disconcerting is that Mozilla > hasn't committed.  And I don't blame them.  To implement notifications > is to lose functionality. h

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

"Mike Rooney" wrote: >On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > >> We've been pushing this 'ethereal notification' idea for a long time. Has >> anybody outside Ubuntu picked up on it? Why or why not? Is it a direction >> that should be continued on, or is a course-change requir

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 11:18 -0600, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > We've been pushing this 'ethereal notification' idea for a long time. > Has anybody outside Ubuntu picked up on it? Why or why not? Is it a > direction that should be continued on, or is a course-change required? I haven't seen nor read a

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On 15 March 2010 23:20, Scott E. Armitage wrote: > I couldn't agree more; the notification system introduced with NotifyOSD is, > on the whole, awesome, and I couldn't imagine going back to stupid little > balloon tips tat pop up with a distracting noise and demand to be shooed > away. > -S > It

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

+1 On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Scott E. Armitage < launch...@scott.armitage.name> wrote: > I couldn't agree more; the notification system introduced with NotifyOSD > is, on the whole, awesome, and I couldn't imagine going back to stupid > little balloon tips tat pop up with a distracting noi

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

I couldn't agree more; the notification system introduced with NotifyOSD is, on the whole, awesome, and I couldn't imagine going back to stupid little balloon tips tat pop up with a distracting noise and demand to be shooed away. -S On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Mike Rooney wrote: > On Mon,

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > We've been pushing this 'ethereal notification' idea for a long time. Has > anybody outside Ubuntu picked up on it? Why or why not? Is it a direction > that should be continued on, or is a course-change required? I think it's awesome, an

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

As a lay-user if Ubuntu, I would propose reconsidering the idea of ethereal notification. To this day, *every* time I have moused over the notification, it has been with the intention of dismissing it (only to realize that I can't dismiss it). If unintended dismissal is such an issue, then perhaps

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

We've been pushing this 'ethereal notification' idea for a long time. Has anybody outside Ubuntu picked up on it? Why or why not? Is it a direction that should be continued on, or is a course-change required? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:54, Scott E. Armitage < launch...@scott.armitage.name> wrote:

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

> > This interferes with the idea of notifications being ethereal -- as it > stands, if I want to close an app whose close box is hidden by a > notification, it doesn't change my work flow, I simply click /through/ > the notification. Has anyone considered a key sequence for power users? _

Re: [Ayatana] GSoC '10 Idea : NotifyOSD improvements

One comment off the bat: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Akshay Gupta wrote: > 2.) A close button on the corner of the bubble as soon as a mouseover > occurs (like Growl, instead of disappearing away) > This interferes with the idea of notifications being ethereal -- as it stands, if I want t