Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

Op dinsdag 07-07-2009 om 16:35 uur [tijdzone +0530], schreef mac_v: > Labeling the FUSA "Presentation" state to a "Non-critical > notifications" state with a checkbox is the simplest approach. > > *We cannot decide every app using full screen* , videos too can/cannot > be disturbed by notification

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

Forwarding to ayatana as i forgot to put it in the recipient list AGAIN... -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Dodier Date: 2009/7/8 Subject: Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors To: Mark Shuttleworth I must say i disagree with the use of a "rem

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Martin Owens wrote: > Hopefully you didn't mean that we'd gladdy sacrifice elegance of code > and flexibility of programming structure in order to artificially > restrict the expressed options. Which is how I read your reply at first. > Elegance? No. Options? Perhaps. Every code path needs tes

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 06:44 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > You know, classically, this was a GNOME vs KDE value, but I don't > believe it is that any more. I've seen KDE folks increasingly aligned > with this value too. Yes, for front end user interaction I would always say that we should selec

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

An additional problem is that the reminder notification might be missed, and the consequence (a notification popping up during a presentation) would be more detrimental than wholesale blocking all notifications while presenting. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Praveen wrote: > This idea was bro

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

Il 07/07/2009 17:50, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: Il 07/07/2009 17:40, Mark Shuttleworth ha scritto: What about putting up a notification when someone goes into fullscreen mode that notifications are enabled and will be displayed, as a reminder that they might want to disable them? This was j

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

Il 07/07/2009 17:40, Mark Shuttleworth ha scritto: What about putting up a notification when someone goes into fullscreen mode that notifications are enabled and will be displayed, as a reminder that they might want to disable them? Mark The subthread "solving the 'user forgets about presen

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Il 07/07/2009 17:40, Mark Shuttleworth ha scritto: What about putting up a notification when someone goes into fullscreen mode that notifications are enabled and will be displayed, as a reminder that they might want to disable them? This was just discussed in another thread, with he _

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This idea was brought by someone else on this list today and the problem is that a typical user goes fullscreen and back many many times even on a single day especially in and hence each time i watch a movie, or want firefox in fullscreen if i get a notification it is very much annoying. also afte

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What about putting up a notification when someone goes into fullscreen mode that notifications are enabled and will be displayed, as a reminder that they might want to disable them? Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing

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Alex Launi wrote: > If your car > manufacturer provides *brakes*, but puts them somewhere inaccessible, > where you can't get to them quickly in an emergency, it's a design flaw. > I think the UX team can place the brakes perfectly in the right position ;) cheers, mac_v __

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2009/7/7 mac_v > Martín Soto wrote: > > People also present to a small group by just using the normal screen. > > I just felt too much thought is being put into this, this only leads to > more bloat of the app... But if a highly intuitive simple system is to > be designed , which is atleast 90% p

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Martín Soto wrote: > > I will just refrain from falling into the "Mark said" type of > argumentation (see /argumentum ad verecundiam [1]*)*/ > I used it since i remember the users name , also.. you can note i used ScottK's name earlier , its not about authority , but just a valid point raised b

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: > Em Ter, 2009-07-07 às 13:49 +0200, Martín Soto escreveu: > > Also, future versions of X/Gnome wil automatically offer a > > configuration box as soon as you plug in a monitor. We can consider > > asking the user once at that point if this

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, mac_v wrote: > The users cant/shouldnt expect everything to be spoon fed! The Option is > there! just because the user forgets ,it isnt a design flaw. > I wonder what sort of design philosophy you're advocating here. One where we refrain from automating things tha

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2009/7/7 Paulo J. S. Silva > You know, if turning off the notifications was easy (is it?), that would > count as a simple papercut! > It would be with a global "do not disturb mode" in FUSA! -- --Alex Launi ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ay

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Em Ter, 2009-07-07 às 13:30 +0200, Martín Soto escreveu: > > I see a big one: you can easily forget activating the do-not-disturb > thing, or deactivating it later. For example, unless you're a very > experienced speaker, you're likely to be nervous before starting a > presentation. This increase

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Em Ter, 2009-07-07 às 13:49 +0200, Martín Soto escreveu: > > Also, future versions of X/Gnome wil automatically offer a > configuration box as soon as you plug in a monitor. We can consider > asking the user once at that point if this is a projector. The UI for > doing this would have to be very

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, mac_v wrote: > The users cant/shouldnt expect everything to be spoon fed! The Option is > there! just because the user forgets ,it isnt a design flaw. > > A crash is not the error of the car manufacturer but the driver, the > manufacturer has provided the breaks it

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Martín Soto wrote: > > I see a big one: you can easily forget activating the do-not-disturb > thing, or deactivating it later. For example, unless you're a very > experienced speaker, you're likely to be nervous before starting a > presentation. This increases the probability that you forget that

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Il 07/07/2009 13:30, Martín Soto ha scritto: I see a big one: you can easily forget activating the do-not-disturb thing, or deactivating it later. For example, unless you're a very experienced speaker, you're likely to be nervous before starting a presentation. This increases the probability tha

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2009/7/7 Matt Wheeler > 2009/7/7 Martín Soto : > > Take a look at my last message to this thread: I think it addresses your > > point much better. In summary, I think we should not pay so much > attention > > to the data source, but to the data destination. If you're displaying to > the > > TV or

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Praveen wrote: > You are right and hence the only sane way of solving the problem seems to > be to give user the control to seta global do-not-disturb mode when he > needs it and logging the messages that he misses.This has several > advantages such as > > 1. No

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On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:44:33 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:49:16 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth >> wrote: >> ... >> >>> In this initiative, I want us to take a different approach. We will strip >>> >> away non-essential decisions from the us

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Martín Soto wrote: >> > Third, I think we want some way for the user to influence this, but > we want it to be systemic (i.e. ONE knob for the WHOLE system, not > knobs-per-app-per-condition). We've talked about using the presence > state that is exposed in the FUSA work that Ted G

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2009/7/7 Martín Soto : > Take a look at my last message to this thread: I think it addresses your > point much better. In summary, I think we should not pay so much attention > to the data source, but to the data destination. If you're displaying to the > TV or to a projector, you'd rather not have

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Hello Vincenzo: 2009/7/7 Vincenzo Ciancia > Martin: it suffers from the same problem as full-screen movies. If I am > preparing for a presentation, I can be interrupted by mom, and if I don't > want it I can set my state to busy. If I am actually showing the > presentation, then I certainly don'

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On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Second, I think we want to do some useful inference of busyness. I like the > fullscreen idea and was a promoter of that, but I think there have been > compelling counter-arguments on this list. > The problem with fullscreen is that it i

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

You are right and hence the only sane way of solving the problem seems to be to give user the control to seta global do-not-disturb mode when he needs it and logging the messages that he misses.This has several advantages such as 1. No need to predict anything as predictions go wrong a lot. 2. Si

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Martín Soto ha scritto: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Steve Dodier > wrote: What about console-presenter and evince / other PDF viewers ? They're used too for presentations. I don't think we can maintain an exhaustive list of applications, so maybe we sh

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Hi, 2009/7/7 Martín Soto : > How many applications are there that are *commonly* used for giving > presentations? Five? Ten, maybe? How many web browsers are in main? Given cloud based presentation such as Google Docs, they can all be used to give presentations, and I suspect can all be made to g

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Steve Dodier wrote: > What about console-presenter and evince / other PDF viewers ? They're > used too for presentations. I don't think we can maintain an > exhaustive list of applications, so maybe we should provide the user > with a GUI to tell which apps shouldn

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Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:49:16 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth > wrote: > ... > >> In this initiative, I want us to take a different approach. We will strip >> > away non-essential decisions from the user experience, at the cost of > flexibility in the final product. For

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On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:49:16 +0100 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: ... >In this initiative, I want us to take a different approach. We will strip away non-essential decisions from the user experience, at the cost of flexibility in the final product. For me, that's not a bug, it's a feature, though I

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Steve Dodier wrote: > What about console-presenter and evince / other PDF viewers ? They're > used too for presentations. I don't think we can maintain an > exhaustive list of applications, so maybe we should provide the user > with a GUI to tell which apps shouldnt be overriden and in which > circ

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Steve Dodier wrote: > A last word, about indicator applet, a bit off-topic thought. Please > make sure to give each app a max amount of items to display in the > applet. It would be bad if it had to turn into those IE pop-up > blockers that end up with 400 craps that the user will not even try to >

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Op donderdag 04-06-2009 om 13:39 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef David Siegel: > * Firefox + firefox flash videos Not only with flash videos, on my EEE 900 or when I have to use an old PC with a low resolution screen, I use Firefox's full screen mode quite often while browsing. -- Jan Claeys

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Op donderdag 04-06-2009 om 19:18 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Mark Shuttleworth: > I think we should choose a monitor and *stay there*. If we define the > monitor as "the one where the Gnome panel with the Applications menu" > is, or "the one where the clock is", then that's where we should put >

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Il giorno ven, 05/06/2009 alle 12.00 +0200, Aurélien Gâteau ha scritto: > > Someone on the bug report suggested to tie the display of > notifications > to the FUSA applet, so that notifications would not be shown if you > set > your presence to "Do not Disturb". I think this is a very nice idea, >

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David Siegel wrote: > Personally, I would want notifications more often than not when > fullscreen-ed in games, while browsing in Firefox, while watching any > movie shorter than an hour in length, while programming in an IDE like > MonoDevelop, while working in OpenOffice writer on my netbook, wh

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What about console-presenter and evince / other PDF viewers ? They're used too for presentations. I don't think we can maintain an exhaustive list of applications, so maybe we should provide the user with a GUI to tell which apps shouldnt be overriden and in which circumstances (and have our own de

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David Siegel wrote: > On the other hand, we can agree that OpenOffice Impress in presentation > mode is a very special case, and that if we had to pick a default > behavior for notify-osd during a presentation, it would be more > reasonable to turn notifications off than to leave them on. > Eve

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Rick Spencer wrote: > Using full screen for "the user doesn't want notifications" seems a bit > blunt to me, though perhaps would work fine in practice. Moving > notifications to a different screen seems like a lot of unpredictability > to me. > > Here are some more ideas ... I'm sure you've consid

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Using full screen for "the user doesn't want notifications" seems a bit blunt to me, though perhaps would work fine in practice. Moving notifications to a different screen seems like a lot of unpredictability to me. Here are some more ideas ... I'm sure you've considered them, but thought I'd offe

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hi list, I am working on bug 372789 "NotifyOSD notifications shouldn't appear when using fullscreen applications". https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/372789 I created a patch which detects fullscreen windows and disables notifications in this case, but it does not take the m

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Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > I created a patch which detects fullscreen windows and disables > notifications in this case, but it does not take the multiple monitors > case into account: it just stops notifications if there is a fullscreen > window on one of the monitors. I have two solutions: > > 1. L

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Yeah: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15648/screenshot_46_yl4r4F.png This sometimes works as a workaround for games that are buggy with fullscreen and dual monitors too - makes them stick to one where built-in will stretch across two (or place the game in the middle of them) ___

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Vadim Peretokin wrote: Any application can be made fullscreen via the "Toggle fullscreen mode" in Gnome. I'm guessing you'd like a list of the practical ones. Good guess. David PS: Can I fullscreen Nautilus? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~

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Any application can be made fullscreen via the "Toggle fullscreen mode" in Gnome. I'm guessing you'd like a list of the practical ones. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launch

Re: [Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Hi list, I am working on bug 372789 "NotifyOSD notifications shouldn't appear when using fullscreen applications". https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/372789 I created a patch which detects fullscreen windows and disables notifications in this case, but it does not take the m

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Tough call, I'm tempted to say solution 2, which is the "if we can show it, show it" approach. -- --Alex Launi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad

[Ayatana] notify-osd + fullscreen + multiple monitors

Hi list, I am working on bug 372789 "NotifyOSD notifications shouldn't appear when using fullscreen applications". https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/372789 I created a patch which detects fullscreen windows and disables notifications in this case, but it does not take the multiple monitors case int