Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Toni Ruottu
>> I don't think most people want to get IM messages while they are >> watching a movie. After all movies are a way of escaping the real >> world and IM messages would completely ruin the escape. > Maybe I like the real world better or the movie is crappy ;) Oh. I completely forgot people who wat

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread mac_v
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:21 +0300, Toni Ruottu wrote: > I don't think most people want to get IM messages while they are > watching a movie. After all movies are a way of escaping the real > world and IM messages would completely ruin the escape. Maybe I like the real world better or the movie is

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread mac_v
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:22 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. That reminded me of the new feature of > notify-osd that hides it under a window that is set fullscreen. That's > just a side effect of the bug fix for flickering windows but it's also a > good example of being unobtrus

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:19 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > Usable by Ubuntu's target audience. I think, we know who the target > audience is ;) Actually, I don't think so. Except if you mean "everyone". That would be a target audience that is no target at all. No base for decisions especially regardi

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Allan Caeg
Thanks for the feedback. That reminded me of the new feature of notify-osd that hides it under a window that is set fullscreen. That's just a side effect of the bug fix for flickering windows but it's also a good example of being unobtrusive because it avoids disturbing the user who is focusing on

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Allan Caeg
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 10:31 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 10:32 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > > > The Ubuntu User Experience is aimed to be usable, helpful, unobtrusive, > > evolving, stable, powerful beautiful, simple, consistent, customizeable, > > and warm. > > Usable by wh

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Toni Ruottu
> The Ubuntu User Experience is aimed to be usable, helpful, unobtrusive, > evolving, stable, powerful beautiful, simple, consistent, customizeable, > and warm. +1 unobtrusive ;-) Some other Linux-based systems never call for your attention. One of Ubuntu's strengths is that it tells you when som

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 10:32 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > The Ubuntu User Experience is aimed to be usable, helpful, unobtrusive, > evolving, stable, powerful beautiful, simple, consistent, customizeable, > and warm. Usable by whom in what context, measured by what metrics? Beautiful? While you mig

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-02 Thread Allan Caeg
With the responses to the thread ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1279499 ) and your suggestions, here is another draft. This certainly isn't polished and there's a lot to add. Feedback please :) ___ The Ubuntu User Experience is aimed to be usable, helpful, unobtrusiv

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-30 Thread Allan Caeg
t; > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: Allan Caeg > > Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines > > To: Scott Kitterman > (top posting fixed) > > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 11:33 -0400, Scott Kitterman

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-30 Thread Scott Kitterman
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Allan Caeg > Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines > To: Scott Kitterman (top posting fixed) > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 11:33 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Wed, 30

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-30 Thread Allan Caeg
That's correct! :) Actions are manifestations of principles and principles are manifestations of values. A more extensive study could be done to confirm this but a quick reference to the dictionary and my knowledge as a Psychology major affirms the idea. Your proposed principles made me think tha

[Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-30 Thread Allan Caeg
-- Forwarded message -- From: Allan Caeg Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines To: Scott Kitterman Sir, you mean, have a specific Ayatana UX manifesto that is clearly for Ubuntu (the GNOME desktop) alone and another one for

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-30 Thread Charline Poirier
Great ideas! Your message made me think that there is a very close link between values and principles. Values should be at the source of our principles and principles should be formulated in a way that is actionable and tangible for designers. For example, it is difficult for designers to des

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-30 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:59:57 +0800 Allan Caeg wrote: > >Borrowing heavily from the format and content of Google's UX principles >( http://www.google.com/corporate/ux.html ), below is my proposed draft >of the Ubuntu UX Guidelines. Before reading it, please keep in mind that >this (very) rough draf

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-30 Thread Allan Caeg
Borrowing heavily from the format and content of Google's UX principles ( http://www.google.com/corporate/ux.html ), below is my proposed draft of the Ubuntu UX Guidelines. Before reading it, please keep in mind that this (very) rough draft is based exclusively on my experiences with Ubuntu (the O

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-28 Thread Allan Caeg
Everyone, thanks for the feedback. To be clear, I just mentioned some examples that would be relevant to Ubuntu's current state. I am not opposing the development of projects like Breathe. I was just trying to define consistency and to justify its inclusion to the UX guidelines by giving those exa

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-28 Thread Kevin Godby
Hello. On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:05 PM, David Siegel wrote: > Allan, I think you're on to something really great here, and I would like to > work on it with you. Just a few quick thoughts for now: > Building upon Tango and the GNOME HIG as a foundation, though, looks like an > easy way to start b

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-28 Thread David Siegel
Allan, I think you're on to something really great here, and I would like to work on it with you. Just a few quick thoughts for now: Building upon Tango and the GNOME HIG as a foundation, though, looks like an easy way to start but doesn't strike me as the best way. While I really admire th

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-28 Thread Steve Dodier
FYI, about the "Tango compliance". People in Ayatana are not working only for Ubuntu, and certainly not only for GNOME. Breathe is the perfect exemple of a community project that has between nothing and nothing to do with GNOME or Tango, I don't see why it would follow guidelines that are not relev

[Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-09-28 Thread Allan Caeg
Ayatana Listers, It is a good thing that Ubuntu has been paying much attention to UX through this project. This is what open source (and technology in general) needs very much. I am aware that Ubuntu clearly defined what it is about. It is great that the members of the community knows what the org