Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-08 Thread Fabian A. Scherschel
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > My brother calls Mac OS X the "Jedi OS". You have to picture him waving > his hand at you and saying "You didn't really WANT to do that" to understand > ;-) > > My god, that is so true! Hahaha :D And to think they call that "stell

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-08 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
ajmctaggart wrote: > Coming from Mac OS X, this was always a major gripe for me. There > would be some means to change a default behavior in the OS, but I > would have to search out forums or wait for an advance user to blog > about it. It would always be a terminal command or editing an xml > fi

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-07 Thread ajmctaggart
> Hi! > > Wouldn't it be much smarter for the system to detect when you do something > in fullscreen (like watching a movie) and queue the notifications somehow? > It could present them later in some kind of advance dialog or something when > the user is finished with whatever he/she was doing. > >

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-07 Thread Fabian A. Scherschel
Hi! Wouldn't it be much smarter for the system to detect when you do something in fullscreen (like watching a movie) and queue the notifications somehow? It could present them later in some kind of advance dialog or something when the user is finished with whatever he/she was doing. Cheers, Fab

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-05 Thread ajmctaggart
So something of an "offline mode," similar to that of mobile phones? I really like this idea, and agree that as I'm also mostly a user interested in usability, the issue of notifications popping up while watching a movie in full screen would be annoying with others, not so annoying by myself. I a

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Steve Dodier
I doubt i give enough importance to notifications to sacrifice them a shortcut i'd have to remember afterwards. There are much more appropriate mechanisms for settings that dont change often, in my opinion. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatan

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Natan Yellin
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:00 PM, David Siegel wrote: > > > mac_v wrote: > >> Jacob Peddicord wrote: >> >>> Wouldn't the proper way to remedy this would be to close communication >>> applications during a presentation? I won't disagree that disabling >>> notifications for a time would be useful, bu

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Mike Rooney
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:00 PM, David Siegel wrote: > 2. Provide a way for the user to explicitly block and unblock most if not > all notifications to prevent embarrassment. Even if we are perfectly > prescient and block all embarrassing notifications at just the right times, > the user will stil

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread David Siegel
mac_v wrote: Jacob Peddicord wrote: Wouldn't the proper way to remedy this would be to close communication applications during a presentation? I won't disagree that disabling notifications for a time would be useful, but if you don't want Pidgin triggering notifications for a presentation, the

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Yes, we do intend to have a presence setting which influences the display of notification bubbles with notify-osd. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.l

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 04/06/2009 alle 11.00 -0700, Mike Rooney ha scritto: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > > What I mean is that we need a mode ("busy" in FUSA would be just nice) > > where the actions that the computer takes are under the control of the > > user. > > That i

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread mac_v
Jacob Peddicord wrote: > > Wouldn't the proper way to remedy this would be to close communication > applications during a presentation? I won't disagree that disabling > notifications for a time would be useful, but if you don't want Pidgin > triggering notifications for a presentation, then close

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Mike Rooney
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > What I mean is that we need a mode ("busy" in FUSA would be just nice) > where the actions that the computer takes are under the control of the > user. That is what I proposed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/3

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 04/06/2009 alle 13.19 -0400, Jacob Peddicord ha scritto: > > Wouldn't the proper way to remedy this would be to close communication > applications during a presentation? I won't disagree that disabling > notifications for a time would be useful, but if you don't want Pidgin > trigge

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread David Siegel
Brian Curtis wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM, mac_v wrote: Mark +1 , hate to click the x to dismiss! but there needs to be a way to dismiss the notify-osd , in case the bubbles are a disturbance to workflow. What about just clicking the bubble? Or is this too close to a "cli

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Steve Dodier
Aren't the IM applications now meant to use indicator-applet instead of libnotify to notify messages, and isn't indicator-applet not appearing if you're in fullscreen ? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpa

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Jacob Peddicord
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > > Good point: not all presentations are full screen and some notifications > might create embarass - perhaps not only those related to pidgin. There > absolutely should be an explicit way to disable any disturb for a > while. Wouldn't the

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Brian Curtis
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM, mac_v wrote: > > Mark > > +1 , > hate to click the x to dismiss! > > but there needs to be a way to dismiss the notify-osd , in case the bubbles > are a disturbance to workflow. > What about just clicking the bubble? Or is this too close to a "click the x" approac

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Siegfried Gevatter
2009/6/4 Vincenzo Ciancia : > Good point: not all presentations are full screen and some notifications > might create embarass - perhaps not only those related to pidgin. There > absolutely should be an explicit way to disable any disturb for a > while. I think certain status indicators (set from

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 04/06/2009 alle 22.11 +0530, mac_v ha scritto: > > > but there needs to be a way to dismiss the notify-osd , in case the > bubbles are a disturbance to workflow. > > If user receives a mail/im/buddy notification during a presentation,he > is forced to move the pointer to the bubbl

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-06-04 Thread mac_v
From: Mark Shuttleworth Jacob Peddicord wrote: A close button I personally don't see being useful, in the current state of how notifications are displayed. They come and go relatively quickly, and by the time you notice a notification to click the X it may ha

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday 11 May 2009 13:06, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > We won't bring actions back, even if a patch is contributed to do so. > The user experience of "racing to click on the action" is fundamentally > broken, and can't be fixed even though many people will clamour for it. > So, actions require com

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-11 Thread Jan Claeys
Op zaterdag 09-05-2009 om 15:43 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Jacob Peddicord: > - Theming? Different colored backgrounds/font color, etc for those > with different GTK themes Although most people who complain about this do because it doesn't fit into their fancy theme, there is a much better rea

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Jordan Mantha wrote: > I agree with these for sure. I'm having issues with positioning > because I use the top-right of my screen a lot and I keep having > notifications "flashing" because I'm using my mouse in the area of the > notification. Bottom-right would work a lot better for me I think. >

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Jacob Peddicord wrote: > A close button I personally don't see being useful, in the current > state of how notifications are displayed. They come and go relatively > quickly, and by the time you notice a notification to click the X it > may have already disappeared. I agree. > Actions would be the

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Natan Yellin wrote: > How about, for starters, adding a gconf option to show an X icon on > notifications. I personally think it makes sense not to have one, but > if people want one then you should let them have it. (And normal > users, who you're trying to train to use notifications in a specific

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Natan Yellin
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Jacob Peddicord wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > >> Even if most Ubuntu users aren't at all tech savvy, you can't annoy the >> small minority which are power users. Those are the people who may decide to >> get involved in development

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Jacob Peddicord wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > I can think of plenty of other options that would be nice though: >  - Positioning and size >  - Default expiration time >  - Theming? Different colored backgrounds/font color, etc for

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Richard JOHNSON
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 10:29:22PM +0300, Natan Yellin wrote: > Even if most Ubuntu users aren't at all tech savvy, you can't annoy the > small minority which are power users. Those are the people who may decide to > get involved in development and submit patches, so their opinion is critical > to

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Jacob Peddicord
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > Even if most Ubuntu users aren't at all tech savvy, you can't annoy the > small minority which are power users. Those are the people who may decide to > get involved in development and submit patches, so their opinion is critical > to your suc

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Martin Owens
Richard makes good points, I like to remember the idea that "Creations reflect your masters, be honest about who you serve", I like to think I serve the Ubuntu Community and more specifically non technical Ubuntu users. So far Canonical people have been aiming for that audience too. > Even if mos

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Natan Yellin
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Richard JOHNSON wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So, a few things that I am noticing on this list, in press, and from > various users, concerning the desktop notifications are this: > > a) When we, the developers, are discussing the options with notifications, > we tend t

[Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Richard JOHNSON
Hey everyone, So, a few things that I am noticing on this list, in press, and from various users, concerning the desktop notifications are this: a) When we, the developers, are discussing the options with notifications, we tend to discuss our workflow, which is fine, but we also need to remember