[Ayatana] Sound menu slider interaction

2010-08-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Why does clicking on the bar make the slider move in that direction and not to that specific point? I can’t imagine how often I accidentally turned the music to the loudest level and was really embarrassed. Other players I tested don’t do that (Youtube, Vimeo, some other web stuff, VLC). As Totem

Re: [Ayatana] [Usability] Cheap Open Source Morae Alternative

2010-07-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Allan Caeg wrote: > Hello Jan-Christoph! > Kirk and I are discussing this. We have a google wave discussion, but > nothing much is going on, unfortunately. We've been busy with other things, > but this is definitely on the to do list (and my "drafts" email folder)

[Ayatana] [Usability] Cheap Open Source Morae Alternative

2010-07-20 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
If we want good usability, we need to get open usability testing tools going (again)! You may want to read the original thread started by Allan Caeg at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2009-December/msg00016.html And on the wiki http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/UsabilityTe

Re: [Ayatana] Condensed menuitems

2010-06-28 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Cody Russell wrote: > Jorge Castro just pinged me and showed me the following: > http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/06/google-chrome-tests-unified-menu.html > Kind of interesting, and I thought I'd post it to the list (if it hasn't > already been posted) and see

Re: [Ayatana] Places > People

2010-06-28 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 02:25 +0200, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > >> 2. In which of the above categories would you prefer to see >> "Contacts".. Personal or rather Network? or perhaps a new "People" >> category? > > Network is for your local (compu

Re: [Ayatana] Collecting up Messaging Menu applications

2010-06-02 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 2 June 2010 15:56, Jorge O. Castro wrote: >  * Jono is working on a process for application authors to quickly > (heh) get applications into the Software Center. This kind of > application is perfect for this sort of thing: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process >  * Authors would ap

Re: [Ayatana] Replace "Minimize" with "Push Down"

2010-05-22 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 22 May 2010 17:21, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 17:12, Bob Hazard > wrote: >> RISC OS used to have a Send To Back button on the left next to Close, >> with min/max on the right > > so .. was it usable? I did not use RISC OS but can imagine having a hard time memorizing the

Re: [Ayatana] "Intuitive"

2010-05-22 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
I just saw a great presentation related to this thread. Daniel Kahneman at UC Berkeley about intuition, reasoning, anchors and default options: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddFfRaBPqg Among other things, he contrasts low-learning but fast-acting intuition with adaptive but slow-acting reasonin

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-18 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
y 2010 02:19, Luke Morton wrote: > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 01:59 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: >> On 13 May 2010 01:49, Shane Fagan wrote: >> > we'll have to handle when people double click so we dont open multiple >> > instances when people expect the previous

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 17 May 2010 07:41, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Rob Greer wrote: >> >> Would Windows XP info be useful or only current versions of OSes? >> > Probably anything but vista would be helpful... jk. > I'd imagine even older OS's would be pertinent, given how many people

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 17 May 2010 04:42, Rob Greer wrote: > Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. How the system is indicating possible file operations like selecting, dragging etc. in single click mode (probably on hover). I already added 5 screenshots of KDE’s Dolphin with a short d

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Thanks to everyone contributing to the discussion. But please, before you answer or link to this, read/link the wiki page Thorsten Wilms created for this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/DoubleClick Our essential findings should be written down there and read first to minimize redundant discussion

Re: [Ayatana] Doube-click

2010-05-15 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 14 May 2010 20:50, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > I tried to collect the thoughts so far, regarding single-click mode for > activation, but starting from the possible objective of getting rid of > double-clicking: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/DoubleClick Great, thanks! :) > You might find that

Re: [Ayatana] "Intuitive"

2010-05-14 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 14 May 2010 12:57, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:37 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > >> That is exactly why interaction needs to be intuitive and not require >> learning. > > This is totally unrealistic. Humans can't even walk or talk wit

[Ayatana] Improving single click for all GTK+ apps to make it suitable as a standard

2010-05-14 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Hey developers :) There has been quite a discussion on Ubuntu’s usability mailing list (Ayatana) about making single click standard or not: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01863.html (There are some mockups as well.) The single click was mainly mentioned for usability (open may be the most

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-14 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 14 May 2010 11:58, Conscious User wrote: >> A valid point I got from a Mac user: Selecting the file to use quick >> look is more often used than actually opening the file (because it is >> quicker …). That would be a problem if we actually had quick look or >> another kind of preview. ;) > > Ag

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-14 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 14 May 2010 02:18, Sohail Mirza wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Luke Morton > wrote: >> Nothing's lost, but learnt behaviours would have to change. > > Changing learnt behaviours is easier said than done! That is exactly why interaction needs to be intuitive and not require learning

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-13 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
2010/5/13 Diego Moya : > 2010/5/13 Martín Soto: >> Granted, we have often seen products that failed at automating something, >> but this doesn't mean the solution is to implement override buttons all over >> the place. > > I agree with the "all over the place" part, but IMO you MUST have an > overr

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 13 May 2010 17:08, Conscious User wrote: >> What is the primary tool that the system provides to users to look at >> their files? It may not be supposed to do it, but that does not matter >> because it is done anyway. > > I agree that a compromise with current ways should be reached, but > dism

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 13 May 2010 11:29, Alex Lourie wrote: > So how would a simple selection be solved? If I want to select a file or a > folder, I single-click on it. Currently, it is implemented by Ctrl + click. Not the best solution, but double clicking for opening a file is much much worse. > If this behavio

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 13 May 2010 01:39, Luke Morton wrote: > I like this idea. Double-clicking is an unnecessary gesture since we > have multiple buttons (or "Simulated Secondary Click" in the > Accessibilty tab of the Mouse Preferences). It confuses novice users and > is an accessibility issue for motor impaired u

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 12 May 2010 15:23, Conscious User wrote: > I am strongly against this. I believe single-click usually works for > the web because usually most possible actions for an hyperlink are, > at the end of the day, variations of "open": open in another window, > open in another tab, save, etc. > > In t

[Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
What about that? Are there any plans already to default to single click for opening files and folders in Ubuntu? It is way more intuitive to open with just a single click and have the modifier for the less frequent use-case of selecting (multiple) elements. Launcher icons are also activated by si

Re: [Ayatana] Sudoku: Let's try a heuristic usability evaluation

2010-05-10 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 10 May 2010 00:13, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Basically the idea is to put yourself in the mindset of someone using > the system, and ask yourself questions. Considering I am not a regular Sudoku player, this was quite interesting. I also wrote down some suggestions. * Difficulty colors a

Re: [Ayatana] Redesigning the Ubuntu mouse cursor for simple notification of app attention

2010-05-08 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
I guess I just changed my opinion towards this: If you are watching a movie or looking at photos, you don’t want the cursor and notifications in the way … if it is actively being used because you’re in a workflow, you don’t want to be annoyed either. The annoyance is the major disadvantage and may

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-08 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
I guess an important goal here would be to offer the user an option like: »Don’t bother me with a boatload of sliders and options. Just give me one main slider (also for more gain because some YouTube videos are just too silent, like Jeremy said [i for one did not know that option until now]) and

Re: [Ayatana] Redesigning the Ubuntu mouse cursor for simple notification of app attention

2010-05-04 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 5 May 2010 01:22, Shane Fagan wrote: > What im thinking is that if something is going on in the background that > may not need a notification but a user may want to go to like an app > opening or just that the app needs attention. So my idea is that the > mouse cursor displays the icon of the a

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 4 May 2010 20:20, Diego Moya wrote: > I preferred the old way where > you used a single precise click to reduce a deafening sound, instead > of having to wheel down during a couple seconds to achieve an > acceptable level. This critical case is not well supported by the > current volume control

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
s when > notification sounds ("you have new mail") play on top of other sources. For > this case, the volume of notifications should be made so that they're > audible over the sound that is currently playing, which is something that > probably can be achieved automatic

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 3 May 2010 12:11, Sense Hofstede wrote: > On 3 May 2010 12:04, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: >> On 3 May 2010 11:15, Alex Lourie wrote: >>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sense Hofstede wrote: >>>> On 3 May 2010 11:04, Alex Lourie wrote: >>>

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 3 May 2010 11:15, Alex Lourie wrote: > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sense Hofstede wrote: >> On 3 May 2010 11:04, Alex Lourie wrote: >> > How about a dinamic ordering in the indicator? >> > >> > So if I don't have any music player currently running (or playing), the >> > an >> > "active"

Re: [Ayatana] Finger Swipe Gadgets

2010-05-02 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 28 April 2010 02:20, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On Wednesday 28,April,2010 07:05 AM, Benjamin Humphrey wrote: >> It would be kickass if you could grin at your computer to make it unlock. > > It would be really funny to watch someone pulling different variants of a face > at the computer, failing a

Re: [Ayatana] Integrating Application Search & Install

2010-04-26 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 26 April 2010 17:07, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 16:27, Luke Benstead wrote: >> I visualize the window only appearing when someone starts >> typing into the box and the results would filter down. When the user >> clears the box (or presses enter to execute the top entry) th

Re: [Ayatana] Tagging in Nautilus

2010-04-26 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 23 April 2010 06:19, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > how about tagging files and folders in nautilus? > i wouldn't have to move them around much anymore, if i could attach > tags to them. > > imagine you don't have to move your files around physically anymore, > you just navigate them via tagging.. > >

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
workspace tab summons it and the close button (maybe even the selection of individual apps) is deactivated until then. That way the tabs have a bigger target area and misclicks are less likely. Another problem could be to distinguish the icons; if there are too similar programs open on different

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 22 April 2010 10:27, Conscious User wrote: > A tabbed system like Robin mentioned sounds very nice to me for two > reasons: first, it's very familiar as tabbed browsers are nearly > ubiquitous now. Second, am I the only one here annoyed at the fact that > there is a *huge* waste of space in the

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: CHI Day 4 continued

2010-04-17 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 17 April 2010 03:57, Dylan McCall wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jim Rorie wrote: >> Since stereo is pretty much standard, sound could be routed to different >> channels depending on which side of the screen action occurs on.  Or >> perhaps which monitor you are on.  It would help i

Re: [Ayatana] User feedback from the new WM control order

2010-04-15 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 15 April 2010 12:54, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On Thursday 15,April,2010 06:35 PM, Luke Benstead wrote: > >> I don't think it will be an issue with GNOME Shell, as the top-left corner > >> is a > >> hot corner for triggering the overlay mode so you don't need to click the > >> button, just flick

[Ayatana] Fwd: [KDE Usability] Users cannot find where to "safely remove" USB sticks from Device Notifier plasmoid.

2010-04-11 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
of all this. I am speaking strictly as a user. On Sunday 11 April 2010 15:17:56 yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> Tell me, in detail, how such a system would work behind the scenes. If > >>> you are detailed enough, someone will code it. > >>

Re: [Ayatana] message indicator.(colour palette)

2010-04-01 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Though I support it; this point was originally made by Luke Benstead, not by me. :) On 1 April 2010 14:23, Jim Rorie wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:38 +0100, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > > > > > Blue = Information (e.g new mail) > > +1 > Blue is used f

Re: [Ayatana] message indicator.(colour palette)

2010-04-01 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 1 April 2010 11:06, Luke Benstead wrote: > On 1 April 2010 10:52, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 10:02 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > > >> There should be a rationale and guidance for the use of the various > >> colours. For example, red is clearly an alert colour, as is

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Proposal of new UI element for windows in Ubuntu: Esfera

2010-03-26 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Gestures can be ambiguous when they rely too much on defined looks: I have my GNOME window list in the top panel, the gesture for minimize is unclear then. And what is the gesture for unmaximize? It would either collide with minimize or be the same as maximize, what would be quite confusing. See a

Re: [Ayatana] Window button order

2010-03-24 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 24 March 2010 09:58, Alex Lourie wrote: > I'm sorry to interrupt such a nice discussion, but what impact this > "usability" testing would have? > No sensible user (at least not the one from general public) would ever read > the results of such a test. The usability testing results are not for