[Ayatana] [Fwd: Re: [Re: Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines]]

2009-10-03 Thread Allan Caeg
--- Begin Message --- On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 19:13 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Yes, back when I worked on the stuff now in the artwork wiki, I asked > sabdfl about this and he said something that comes down to: > Ideally we aim at everyone, but strategically aim at Young web-savvy > professional

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Toni Ruottu
>> I don't think most people want to get IM messages while they are >> watching a movie. After all movies are a way of escaping the real >> world and IM messages would completely ruin the escape. > Maybe I like the real world better or the movie is crappy ;) Oh. I completely forgot people who wat

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread mac_v
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:21 +0300, Toni Ruottu wrote: > I don't think most people want to get IM messages while they are > watching a movie. After all movies are a way of escaping the real > world and IM messages would completely ruin the escape. Maybe I like the real world better or the movie is

Re: [Ayatana] [Re: Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines]

2009-10-03 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 23:30 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > > I think, there should always be a target market. The last time I > > checked, the website said that it was for "human beings." However, as > > you said, it could cause problems for IxD. If so, defining Ubuntu's > > target market needs more a

[Ayatana] [Re: Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines]

2009-10-03 Thread Allan Caeg
--- Begin Message --- On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 16:11 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Actually, I don't think so. Except if you mean "everyone". That would be > a target audience that is no target at all. No base for decisions > especially regarding aesthetics. A nightmare in the realm of interaction

[Ayatana] [Re: Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines]

2009-10-03 Thread Allan Caeg
--- Begin Message --- Thanks for the info. However, as unobtrusive is defined, it seems that what happened to you is the other way around. Your value for IM notification makes the nonappearance of the notify-osd obtrusive instead of the other way around. As I suggested, the UX guidelines have to

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread mac_v
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:22 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. That reminded me of the new feature of > notify-osd that hides it under a window that is set fullscreen. That's > just a side effect of the bug fix for flickering windows but it's also a > good example of being unobtrus

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:19 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > Usable by Ubuntu's target audience. I think, we know who the target > audience is ;) Actually, I don't think so. Except if you mean "everyone". That would be a target audience that is no target at all. No base for decisions especially regardi

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Allan Caeg
Thanks for the feedback. That reminded me of the new feature of notify-osd that hides it under a window that is set fullscreen. That's just a side effect of the bug fix for flickering windows but it's also a good example of being unobtrusive because it avoids disturbing the user who is focusing on

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Allan Caeg
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 10:31 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 10:32 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > > > The Ubuntu User Experience is aimed to be usable, helpful, unobtrusive, > > evolving, stable, powerful beautiful, simple, consistent, customizeable, > > and warm. > > Usable by wh

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Toni Ruottu
> The Ubuntu User Experience is aimed to be usable, helpful, unobtrusive, > evolving, stable, powerful beautiful, simple, consistent, customizeable, > and warm. +1 unobtrusive ;-) Some other Linux-based systems never call for your attention. One of Ubuntu's strengths is that it tells you when som

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu User Experience Guidelines

2009-10-03 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 10:32 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > The Ubuntu User Experience is aimed to be usable, helpful, unobtrusive, > evolving, stable, powerful beautiful, simple, consistent, customizeable, > and warm. Usable by whom in what context, measured by what metrics? Beautiful? While you mig

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 428509] [NEW] Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps

2009-10-03 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Mirco Müller wrote: > DEBUG=1 /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd > Didn't we agree to run it in this mode during the Karmic dev cycle? So that we could be sure notifications weren't being sent with spuriously high urgency? I think it's too late to do it now, we are post-beta. Did we do any