Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

>> If you feel this >> is important, consider proposing a more prominent place to let users >> opt-in automated upgrades. (like, say, Ubiquity. We may place a >> "Perform the upgrades for me" checkbox just under the 'autologin' >> checkbox) >> > > That would be nice, and have it checked by default.

Re: [Ayatana] Mumbles Brings (More) Growl-Like Notifications to Linux

Vincent Arnoux wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 20:50, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > >> Now it's hard for me to explain this in written english but, do you >> remember the time when linux users told osx users that the mac was >> featureless? And they responded it's because of usability? The student

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:22 AM, tacone wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David > Siegel wrote: >> I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit >> updates, I get smacked :) > Had the same experience :-) > Understandable. > I should also say that browser upgrade

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David Siegel wrote: > I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit > updates, I get smacked :) Understandable. I should also say that browser upgrades are different from whole OS upgrade (not to mention we have PPA's and similar stuff).

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit updates, I get smacked :) David Wouter Stomp wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, David Siegel wrote: Most of us would be perfectly comfortable initiating an update on shutdown, and walking away from our machine, but I'

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, David Siegel wrote: > Most of us would be perfectly comfortable initiating an update on shutdown, > and walking away from our machine, but I'm not sure if less sophisticated > users are similarly comfortable behaving this way. > Most users don't care about updates

Re: [Ayatana] Mumbles Brings (More) Growl-Like Notifications to Linux

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 20:50, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Now it's hard for me to explain this in written english but, do you > remember the time when linux users told osx users that the mac was > featureless? And they responded it's because of usability? The student > getting better than the master

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

> My roll on the Canonical Design and User Experience team is to make Ubuntu > the most enjoyable to use operating system in the world, so I hope you can > forgive me for making "[it offers a] more pleasant experience" the main > thrust of my argument. David, as I told before, there's no intent of

Re: [Ayatana] Mumbles Brings (More) Growl-Like Notifications to Linux

Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 11.35 -0700, ajmctaggart ha scritto: > I am sure many of you have already seen this, I for one have not. > Seems like it would be of interest to those working on > notifications... > > http://lifehacker.com/5293943/mumbles-brings-more-growl > +like-notifications-to-l

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

My role! :) David David Siegel wrote: My roll on the Canonical Design and User Experience team is to make Ubuntu the most enjoyable to use operating system in the world, so I hope you can forgive me for making "[it offers a] more pleasant experience" the main thrust of my argument. I am not

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

My roll on the Canonical Design and User Experience team is to make Ubuntu the most enjoyable to use operating system in the world, so I hope you can forgive me for making "[it offers a] more pleasant experience" the main thrust of my argument. I am not decidedly in favor of updates at GDM ove

[Ayatana] Mumbles Brings (More) Growl-Like Notifications to Linux

I am sure many of you have already seen this, I for one have not. Seems like it would be of interest to those working on notifications... http://lifehacker.com/5293943/mumbles-brings-more-growl+like-notifications-to-linux ___ Mailing list: https://launc

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

Thinking more carefully, updates, and specially security updates, are really very, very important. So why not do it all? I mean: 1) Allow updates at login, as it is suggested here 2) Leave a permanent notification symbol on the panel while the session is on (this would take care of notifying user

[Ayatana] Fwd: Updates on Login

Ops... I sent the message below to David only. -- Forwarded message -- From: Paulo J. S. Silva Date: 2009/6/17 Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login To: David Siegel Sorry David, I think I misread your suggestion. I  thought you were suggesting to force the user to upgrade

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

> People who auto-login or never restart can be handled differently. > Personally, I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not > think of gurus like us, who participate on Linux mailing lists, and let's > think instead about the average user, who might be made uncomfortable by > co

Re: [Ayatana] Idea: letting users of the testing distribution participate in testing and report feedback on different UI choices if they wish

Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 19.23 +0200, Martín Soto ha scritto: > 2009/6/16 Vincenzo Ciancia > If we manage to come this far (and I hope we do at some point) this is > already a usability experiment. We'd have to design it properly > though, so that results can be considered valid. > Yes.

Re: [Ayatana] Idea: letting users of the testing distribution participate in testing and report feedback on different UI choices if they wish

2009/6/16 Vincenzo Ciancia > The point is not if I hate or not something. The point is "how many" hate > this. Now there are two ways to see this. Either you want to use launchpad > features as a metric or not. In the first case you compare the number of > duplicates, subscribers (not only commen

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

LOL, good point. That's why I made one though, because until someone does start to express what their thoughts are, it's just a discussion floating around (which is important, don't get me wrong!) I do like the "Notification-esqu," style to your mockup much more. The present, however; that too m

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:01 PM, David Siegel wrote: > I am glad this is being explored. I originally suggested we consider > updates at GDM (1) to challenge our thinking about this problem through > inversion, and (2) to rebrand updates as something fun and exciting to > receive, not a system ma

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

David Siegel wrote: > The core of the idea is, at the face browser, there is a present icon > when you have updates already downloaded and ready to install. They > might even be unpacked already. Beside the present is a simple > description like "13 updates available, requires restart. Click to > u

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Vadim Peretokin wrote: > Why do you think so? A computer can be turned on perform a task with its > help, not to maintenance on itself. Sometimes one wants to google a map or > something quickly before leaving would be an example. > This is a less common use, and

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

> > When you turn on your computer, you are engaging with it, signaling that > you have time and attention to give to the machine. Why do you think so? A computer can be turned on perform a task with its help, not to maintenance on itself. Sometimes one wants to google a map or something quickly

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 09.26 -0500, David Siegel ha scritto: I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not think of gurus like us The argument "that's for gurus" or "power users" keeps popping up :) This can not be applied here: auto-login

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

Vadim Peretokin wrote: I'll second this. In my use-case, my mother /really/ hates doing updates (only does them after a while, and hates the orange icon - I suppose that'll improve with an upgrade to jaunty). Forcing her to wait for updates after she turns on the computer for something would r

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 09.26 -0500, David Siegel ha scritto: > I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not > think of gurus like us The argument "that's for gurus" or "power users" keeps popping up :) This can not be applied here: auto-login is enabled by checking an inno

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

I'll second this. In my use-case, my mother *really* hates doing updates (only does them after a while, and hates the orange icon - I suppose that'll improve with an upgrade to jaunty). Forcing her to wait for updates after she turns on the computer for something would really be backwards. Nevermi

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: > Are you kidding? > > Wouldn't it be much more reasonable to do this at shutdown (or logout for > users that don't shutdown). When I login, I want to my stuff. When I logout > I am saying: "I'm done for know". > When I'm finished work, I'

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

On 06/17/2009 10:40 AM, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: Wouldn't it be much more reasonable to do this at shutdown (or logout for users that don't shutdown). When I login, I want to my stuff. When I logout I am saying: "I'm done for know". Interesting that you suggest shutdown. When I shutdown, I

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: 2009/6/17 David Siegel > I think it would be interesting if the user must wait at GDM for updates to finish (assuming they were downloaded previously), and is only allowed to log in when updates have finished. This process

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

2009/6/17 David Siegel > I think it would be interesting if the user must wait at GDM for updates to > finish (assuming they were downloaded previously), and is only allowed to > log in when updates have finished. This process only takes a minute or two, > and the user can choose to not initiate

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

tacone wrote: We should definitely consider as many update scenarios as possible in order to find the one that users will prefer. We are very quick to start implementing updates and shut down without considering something radically different because many of us have experiences updates at shutdown

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login

I think it would be interesting if the user must wait at GDM for updates to finish (assuming they were downloaded previously), and is only allowed to log in when updates have finished. This process only takes a minute or two, and the user can choose to not initiate the updates or cancel them an

Re: [Ayatana] Idea: letting users of the testing distribution participate in testing and report feedback on different UI choices if they wish

+1 on actually asking users. You made a few very good points. I'd suggest that about two weeks after each new release a "Feedback" window should appear on login with the following message: "Ubuntu is a community project and we do our best to make sure that you enjoy using it. If you'd like to sugg