Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 18:18, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > > > If the releases are all that similar, why not use: > > > > > > i686-GnuLinux-* > > > > > > as your test, and provide the "popular" distributions in the 3rd field? > > > > > > The "magic" command

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Harlan Stenn
I bet you have never tried to deploy this in the real world in an environment with a useful number of heterogeneous OS installations running at different OS rev levels. In my experience this simply doesn't scale. Especially if it gets used in somebody's shell RC files. Your approach still "speci

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Harlan Stenn
If there was a version number in the Vendor field I'd be lots happier. In the RH distros I've seen (and the config.guess output on those boxes) I have still only seen "pc" for the Vendor field. H -- > On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 13:43, Bruno Haible wrote: > > Harlan Stenn wrote: > > > > > If the relea

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 13:43, Bruno Haible wrote: > Harlan Stenn wrote: > > > If the releases are all that similar, why not use: > > > > i686-GnuLinux-* > > > > as your test, and provide the "popular" distributions in the 3rd field? > > This is a little more reasonable, How would that be basical

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > If the releases are all that similar, why not use: > > > > i686-GnuLinux-* > > > > as your test, and provide the "popular" distributions in the 3rd field? > > > > The "magic" command has a large database of selections on it; using this > > sort of mecha

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Bob Proulx
Harlan Stenn wrote: > The good news and bad news is that your position is a POLICY decision. > > I am talking about a MECHANISM tool. Agreed. But it is not a mechanism of automake. Nor should the autotools support it since it embodies a diametrically opposed philosophy from the one the autotool

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Bruno Haible
Harlan Stenn wrote: > If the releases are all that similar, why not use: > > i686-GnuLinux-* > > as your test, and provide the "popular" distributions in the 3rd field? This is a little more reasonable, since it allows to check for Linux with a single test. But the fundamental problem remains: y

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-13 Thread Harlan Stenn
> Harlan Stenn wrote (meaning "Linux distribution" when he writes "OS"): > > help tool maintainers make choices > > about how things that are hard to find out otherwise (like OS-based > > choices). > > ... > > everybody who wants to make OS-level decisions has to code their own tests > > to figure

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:53:58AM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > | Sorry for having to say this, but IMO, configure scripts relying on > | config.guess'ed values are "badly designed and fundamentally flawed". > > It's a pity you think that. I always found libtool to be r

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 11:53, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > | Sorry for having to say this, but IMO, configure scripts relying on > | config.guess'ed values are "badly designed and fundamentally flawed". > > It's a pity you think that. I always found libtool to be rather useful

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-08 Thread Bruno Haible
Harlan Stenn wrote (meaning "Linux distribution" when he writes "OS"): > help tool maintainers make choices > about how things that are hard to find out otherwise (like OS-based > choices). > ... > everybody who wants to make OS-level decisions has to code their own tests > to figure out the OS nam

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-08 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Corsepius wrote: | Sorry for having to say this, but IMO, configure scripts relying on | config.guess'ed values are "badly designed and fundamentally flawed". It's a pity you think that. I always found libtool to be rather useful. Cheers, - -- Ga

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 22:51, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > A configure script that has to check for 125 brand names, only for Linux, > > is not only unmaintainable, it also limits the freedom to fork a new > > distribution. > > So for this reason people who write scripts (autoconf or otherwise) who can

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-07 Thread Harlan Stenn
(I am in a slightly crabby mood. I apologize. Bikeshed begins.) > Harlan Stenn wrote in a footnote: > > There are people who think a config.guess output that says: > > > > i686-pc-linux-gnu > > > > is "normal", while some of us feel that is a particularly useless value and > > would prefer to s

Re: config.guess and freedom (was: 1.8 and mkdir_p)

2004-01-07 Thread Bruno Haible
Harlan Stenn wrote in a footnote: > There are people who think a config.guess output that says: > > i686-pc-linux-gnu > > is "normal", while some of us feel that is a particularly useless value and > would prefer to see something like: > > i686-pc-redhat7.3 > > instead, just like the original doc