Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

I received an answer from the German Sovereign Tech Fund regarding our application for their bug resilience program. Automake is on the waiting list for next year. Thanks Christoph!

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Dear Automake community, hello Karl, I received an answer from the German Sovereign Tech Fund regarding our application for their bug resilience program. Automake is on the waiting list for next year. > Thanks again for your application for BRP. We’re currently at capacity > this year for the

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Karl, I think this not a problem. Citing their criteria [1]: > FOSS: all code and documentation to be supported must > be licensed such that it may be freely reusable, > changeable, and redistributable. OSI-approved or > FSF Free/Libre licenses are acceptable for code. Nevertheless, we should

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Christoph - I had one more thought about the tech fund: Automake is copyright FSF. So Neighorhoodie is going to need to sign a disclaimer or (preferably) assignment for any patches to be usable. Is there precedent in the fund for doing that? --thanks, karl.

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Christoph, All Automake release announcements since 2.13 warn about future Automake 2.0 incompatibilities. I moved that noisy warning from the top of NEWS into a separate NEWS-2.0 file a couple of releases ago. At the beginning there is a meeting between you (maybe more people,

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hello Karl, don't get me wrong. I think GNU Autotools will not vanish and projects will rely on it for at least another decade. I am thankful for your work and we need to keep this project alive. That is the reason I am proposing to apply for contributions. Still, I think many projects do not n

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Christoph, I advice everybody so seek alternatives. I'm sorry to hear it. My own personal experience (with my sysadmin hat on) is that all alternatives have been inferior. Which is, ultimately, why I choose to spend my time here. I would love to see any minor improvement, as the docum

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Karl Berry wrote: [...] > and reduce technical debt. I don't know what that means. I instinctively shy away from such vague buzzwords. Essentially, "technical debt" means "stuff on the TODO list" and more specifically the accumulation of "good enough for now; fix it later" that tend

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Karl, thanks for the detailed answer! I resonate with your concerns. I will only apply if you and others like Zack and Paul agree. Either say no or please provide feedback to my proposed text for the program application. If that means providing patches for open bugs, then great. That is wh

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Paul, while I wish that there would be better options, this seems to me the most fitting open source support program for Automake & Autoconf I have came across in the last decade. To me, the prospect is much brighter. If people learn Autotools, they face difficulties, which they may address

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Christoph, https://www.sovereigntechfund.de/programs/bug-resilience Thanks for bringing this up. > Our partner 'Neighbourhoodie Software' provides a variety > of types of contributions to participating projects to > address known issues, If that means providing patches fo

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

On 6/6/24 15:20, Christoph Grüninger wrote: I think we should apply for the Bug Resilience Program with their Direct Contributions option. This is not funding, rather a company is hired to do the mentioned things. It is easier to apply for and if granted should improve the situation. Would it b

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Paul, the Sovereign Tech Fund also offers funding (called General Investments). The application describes what should be achieved and how much it should cost. But that is another program and the application is more difficult. I think we should apply for the Bug Resilience Program with thei

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

On 2024-06-06 10:48, Christoph Grüninger wrote: Citing from the application you linked, I am referring to "direct contribution": > Direct Contributions will be provided by Neighborhoodie GmbH > and entails direct code and non-code contributions, such > as triaging, sorting and fixing known i

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Paul, thanks for taking a look into the application! As near as I can make out, the Sovereign Tech Fund Bug Resilience Program application provides funding only for bug bounties, where the bugs are security vulnerabilit

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Zack, you mean we should apply for a combined autoconf and automake proposal? Sure, makes sense to me. Bye Christoph Am 06.06.24 um 17:10 schrieb Zack Weinberg: On the autoconf side of the fence, I do not have spare cycles to write a proposal all by myself, but I would be interested in wor

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

On 2024-06-06 08:10, Zack Weinberg wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2024, at 10:37 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: That's a really good idea. Automake and Autotools in general underpin a fair amount of key open source software, but is taken for granted. Ideas for making the case for funding: As near as I can make

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

On Thu, Jun 6, 2024, at 10:37 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > That's a really good idea. Automake and Autotools in general underpin > a fair amount of key open source software, but is taken for granted. > > Ideas for making the case for funding: identify... > - how many commonly used Debian/Ubuntu/Alpine p

Re: Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

That's a really good idea. Automake and Autotools in general underpin a fair amount of key open source software, but is taken for granted. Ideas for making the case for funding: identify... - how many commonly used Debian/Ubuntu/Alpine packages and/or GitHub projects rely on automake/Autotools -

Bug Resilience Program of German Sovereign Tech Fund

Hi Karl, given Automake is facing a lack of contributors and still being an important part of software like GCC or LibreOffice, we should reach out for help! The German Sovereign Tech Fund offers a Bug Resilience Program [1]. They offer "Direct Contributions", i.e.: > Our partner 'Neighbourh