I don’t think it’s simply a matter of two sides, which your language attempts
to categorise it as.
Some of us refuse to have our processes and businesses dictated to by people
who won’t listen to reasonable arguments against their unworkable proposals
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Looks like Parler is now using them as well:
parler.com has address 190.115.31.151
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Cynthia
We’ve had to block some services from our abuse mailbox as they were sending us
an insane volume of low quality reports.
I’m not sure what the cut off point would be, but we’ve tried to engage with
some of these services in the past and they never reply so they’re basically
spammers as
on behalf of Hans-Martin
Mosner
Date: Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 15:27
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox
Am 18.02.21 um 15:02 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg:
I know quite a few companies now use specific forms
From: Javier Martín
Date: Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 15:40
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight , Hans-Martin Mosner
, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox
Hello.
The subject of abuse emails are, with few exceptions, a use
few exceptions, a useless thing, it
depends on the good faith of the recipient.
For our part, we continue to have servers from large companies attacking us for
more than 6 months and after dozens of emails no one has helped us.
Regards.
Javier
Sobre 18/02/2021 16:33:07, Michele Neylon - Bl
Erik
But wouldn’t creating this list involve looking at the traffic *somewhere*?
Personally I’d love to see scummy providers marginalised as much as possible,
but the “how” is important to get right.
Regards
Michele
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https
in Europe and
worldwide.
laura
On 20 May 2021, at 09:03, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>> wrote:
Erik
But wouldn’t creating this list involve looking at the traffic *somewhere*?
Personally I’d love to see scummy providers marginalised as much
Ronald
Please explain.
If somebody hacks, attempts to hack, DDOS or perpetrates any other sort of
cybercrime against me or my company we have to report it law enforcement.
I know that they might not be able to do a huge amount about a specific
incident, but we still need to report it to them,
Jeremy
While it’s possible that a network or networks might have stopped routing
traffic to / from somewhere else that is a decision at the network level. It’s
not something that an RIR like RIPE or ARIN can do.
For example RIPE NCC has assigned my company multiple blocks of IPv4 and IPv6
space
Brian
I missed earlier emails about this.
I think it would be beneficial for a lot of LIRs to get some basic training.
Anything that improves the landscape should be encouraged and welcomed!
1. Would training, as described, be of interest to you?
Potentially for new staff if the materials
Exactly
And unfortunately this is a trend with a lot of the EC’s activities that push
towards more and more regulation of digital
I also find the ridiculously broad definition of abuse so broad that it renders
any output without much merit.
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That’s not entirely true.
It’ll depend on how granular the LIR is with their allocations to their clients.
Speaking on behalf of my company we do assign blocks and abuse-c contacts to
quite a few of our clients.
However we wouldn’t do that for every single IP address and due to the nature
of so
I disagree
Some types of network activity are not going to be welcome anywhere. Some kinds
of use of networks and platforms are not welcome by most people.
Please show me ANY COUNTRY where CSAM is legal.
And “legality” is NOT the bar. Never has been.
If we don’t try to deal with this then gove
You really want to claim that CSAM is legal somewhere?
I can assure you that it is NOT
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It’s one of the more recent tactics being used by the “lovely” scumbags. It’s
happening against multiple public mailing lists both RIPE and LINX ones so far
.. probably others
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Denis
Where’s the actual proposal?
I’d love to get my personal details removed – especially as they’re for an
address I no longer occupy!
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Jeroen
“- Change the current contracts with all responsible companies where they will
have to pay a fine if any of their ip's has been detected and confirmed to
produce abusive traffic.
“
That will never happen and suggesting it is not helpful.
Nobody is ever going to agree to it and it’s comp
Jeroen
RIPE policy is not decided by a vote or astro-turfing.
Also what you are proposing is over simplistic and would be impossible to
operationalise without bankrupting the NCC.
What is "abusive traffic"?
Who decides what is or is not "abusive"?
Who is going to enforce this?
How?
Bear in
Brian et al
I like the content, but I don’t see how this could be delivered in one hour.
There are 55 slides.
That’s roughly 1 slide per minute.
Michele
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Excellent news!
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Hank
I’m a little confused.
This is the RIPE anti-abuse WG.
I don’t see how this issue is related to this group.
Could you please explain?
Thanks and regards
Michele
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How big an IP allocation do you have?
As an LIR we routinely assign blocks of IPs to clients with more than X IPs or
blocks etc., and give them their own abuse-c etc.,
But we wouldn’t do it for a single IP.
Though tbh it sounds more like an issue with the block list than anything to do
with th
+1
The proposal put a massive burden on both us as members and the NCC with zero
benefit to anyone.
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Gert
That’s a massive over simplification of what happened.
The NCC proposed a number of charging schemes which *included* charges per ASN.
The proposal was rejected by the majority of the members who voted because the
changes would have cost a lot of us significantly more than what we currentl
Gert
The ASN cost for us would have had practically no impact – we only have two and
I suspect we’re getting rid of one at some point.
However the other costs that the charging schemes suggested would have cost us
thousands – and that simply wasn’t acceptable
Michele
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Gert
I think a lot of us were not going to accept ANY changes to the charging scheme
that time round.
Anyway .. history now ..
Michele
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Peter
Economic incentives make a lot of sense. In the domain space we’ve seen
registries offering promotions that are linked to a registrar’s “rating” and it
seems to work.
Regards
Michele
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htt
Sorry, but “on your website” – do you mean in the email list archives?
Also this is the RIPE anti-abuse WG – we have no power to do anything, so I’m
not sure what you’re expecting.
If you think there is something illegal being done by an operator I’d recommend
you report it to the police.
Rega
Simone
We do not have any power to do anything.
Regards
Michele
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Jordi
Can you please provide links to the policies that were implemented elsewhere.
Regards
Michele
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Please provide actual data.
Numbers
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sn't work.
Fact is, that other players have changed once pressure has been upped.
Cheers
Serge
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wrote:
Please provide actual data.
Numbers
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It’s 2023 and Word is fairly commonly used by a lot of people.
What format do you propose be used?
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Both registries and registrars that are accredited by ICANN have contracts with
clear clauses related to abuse and their responsibility towards reports etc.,
As of right now no such requirement exists in the RIPE region, so I’m not sure
that the parallel is a good one.
In an ideal world self-reg
Is Brian term limited?
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They’re two very different things so asking about the two and pushing for them
at the same time in my view is a bad idea.
RPKI is only going to be deployed by network operators and they *should* have
the technical ability to do this and doing so is “good”
DNSSEC, on the other hand, is available
Serge
Several ccTLD registries have given discounts for DNSSEC.
What is unclear is how many of the domains with DNSSEC enabled are in active
use, so the lack of “problems” could be simply down to a complete lack of us /
ignorance that the technology was enabled.
My main issue with focus on DNS
Markus
There should be a simple “continue as now” option, though I do appreciate that
opening a discussion on the WG’s future could be useful
Expanding the group’s scope – okay, but to what? And to what end?
Regards
Michele
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Have you asked them to setup PTR records?
We usually do it for our clients, so I’ve no idea how others handle it
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from unrecognised
sources.
On Fri 05/Apr/2024 14:41:01 +0200 Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
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> Have you asked them to setup PTR records?
I did so for IPv4. They're unable to delegate but can set PTRs.
For IPv6, they don't have delegation for their own range, s
Serge
The report speaks about French LEA asking RIPE for data that RIPE does not have.
You then go off on some complete tangent about governments not being satisfied
with tech companies.
How are the two related?
What purpose does asking RIPE (or anyone else) for data they simply do not have
s
ised
sources.
LEA especially the computer crime part of LEA has been dealing with RIRs for
some decades now?
The specifics of this case would be interesting.
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From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Michele
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Serge
As I said, it’s an odd attempt at making a point, if that’s what it is.
Regards
Michele
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Markus
This is great news.
Brian has done a fantastic job with this group over the years
Regards
Michele
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Serge
It’s not a matter of “comfort zones” – which Nick explained quite articulately
RIPE currently does not have the power to do a lot of things. The WG cannot
magically change that.
If you look at the current “debate” raging on the main members’ list, people
are arguing over a potential 50 e
Suresh
It might be helpful to discuss this with them. I’m sure there are *some* things
that they could do without putting it to the members, but there’s a lot of
things that would need member agreement in order to change.
Regards
Michele
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Been there. It’s an absolute pain.
If you contact me offlist I can try and assist you
Regards
Michele
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Alessandro
I’ve no idea who your upstream LIR is, but I know that quite a few LIRs *will*
assign IP blocks to clients in the RIPE database. Doing it for every single
individual IP would be an admin burden, but I know we do it for a lot of our
clients who have blocks of IPs.
So please don’t make
ning attachments from unrecognised
sources.
On Fri 26/Jul/2024 12:44:56 +0200 Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
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> Alessandro
>
> I’ve no idea who your upstream LIR is, but I know that quite a few LIRs
> **will** assign IP blocks to clients in the RIPE database. Do
Brian
I’ve no issue with supporting them and thanks to them and you for devoting your
time to this WG.
Regards
Michele
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