Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas via anti-abuse-wg
On 2021-03-02 13:12, Esa Laitinen wrote: On 02.03.21 10:49, Vittorio Bertola via anti-abuse-wg wrote: Il 02/03/2021 00:08 Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas via anti-abuse-wg ha scritto: UCEPROTECT blacklists the whole range of IP addresses, including the full IP range of some autonomous systems:

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Esa Laitinen
    On 03.03.21 09:35, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote: > Interestingly -- but not unexpectedly -- enough they may add you to > the uceprotect-level1 list if they see you attempted a payment but > haven't paid. So, for reasons not related to spamming. > > > The whole autonomous system of my clou

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 11:57:13AM +0100, Esa Laitinen wrote: > This indeed puts the uceprotect in a different category in my books. > Please forget what I wrote earlier in this chain. I do have my own opinion about uceprotect (and it's not favourable), but we do not need to actually discuss

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Nuno Vieira via anti-abuse-wg
Hi. Let me disagree on this misconcept of "endorsement" or "reference" or "reporting". There are **plenty** blacklists out there. RIPE reports specifically UCEPROTECT and SPAMHAUS. This kind of usage and reference by RIPE empirically supports/endorses/make those as a reference. (or a troll feed

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
True. If you’re listing only two BLs - one reputable and the other UCEPROTECT.. there are many other public block lists, ok fewer than there were in the 2000s but still .. --srs From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Nuno Vieira via anti-abuse-wg Sent: Wednesday, Ma

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Andreas Worbs via anti-abuse-wg
There are plenty of blacklists and there is no need to "support" just those two. So i totally agree that the RIPE should expand the list or remove it Am 03.03.21 um 12:31 schrieb Nuno Vieira via anti-abuse-wg: > Hi. > > Let me disagree on this misconcept of "endorsement" or "reference" or > "repo

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Christian Teuschel
Dear colleagues, RIPEstat is a neutral source of information and we aim to provide users with access to as many data sources as possible to provide insights. UCEProtect was added as a data source prior to 2010 and is still used by several network operators to filter traffic into their networks. I

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Randy Bush
> UCEProtect was added as a data source prior to 2010 and is still used by > several network operators to filter traffic into their networks. > Including it as a data source in RIPEstat allows users to see whether > resources are included in their lists. uceful :) randy

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Do you see email providers of significant size using it? --srs From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Christian Teuschel Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:57:50 PM To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas via anti-abuse-wg
On 2021-03-04 01:54, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Do you see email providers of significant size using it? --srs Potentially Microsoft [https://www.e-shot.net/insights/help/half-of-the-internet-is-blacklisted-uceprotect]. Office 365 Support has referred to uceprotect-level3 as a possible

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
As far as I can see that is probably an artefact of an overly helpful customer service person trying to troubleshoot mail delivery for you --srs From: Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 5:47:38 AM To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Cc: christian.t

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-03 Thread Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas via anti-abuse-wg
On 2021-03-04 03:26, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: As far as I can see that is probably an artefact of an overly helpful customer service person trying to troubleshoot mail delivery for you I've seen various sources (not sure if they are sufficient to drive any conclusions though) that Micros