Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 21:22, warrigal wrote: I withdraw as many coins as possible from the RBoA. --Warrigal of Escher Scratch that. This fails, you are not a Comrade. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 22:37, Elliott Hird wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 21:22, warrigal wrote: I withdraw as many coins as possible from the RBoA. --Warrigal of Escher Scratch that. This fails, you are not a Comrade. -- ehird Actually, if you specified an actual chit value they would be

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:01, Charles Reiss wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 22:22, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] 2223 ais523UNDEAD PT ends 10/23 05:02:46 Claim of Error: ais523 is not a party to UNDEAD and it is not a pledge, so this case was not in

DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
BobTHJ - please publish an RBoA report as soon as possible, because I don't think anyone really knows the current state of it. Be sure to read ais523's interpretation email, ofc. But yes, we really need to know. (So that everyone can evacuate quicker, naturally. ;-) ) -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:32, Kerim Aydin wrote: Unless of course you'd rather the courts stayed out of your private affairs, in which case this is part of the full implications that you weigh when not doing something that you SHOULD. I'm please that the UNDEAD (*if* it exists, its existence I neit

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:45, warrigal wrote: I withdraw as many coins as possible from the RBoA. Thanks a bunch. More unknown gamestate. Sigh. We need BobTHJ's report. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:39, Kerim Aydin wrote: Bha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh thanks ehird, that's sincerely the best ironic laugh I've had in this forum since you joined. I'd love for you to point out the things I've done to make that hypocritical, if you please. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 00:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: It also means that "fishing expeditions" led by non-members armed with the potential name of a contract (but nothing more) should be discouraged by the Rules lest the means become a burden. I hope the current case does so discourage. Scam plotting

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 05:39, Roger Hicks wrote: I leave for the day to go hear Governor Palin speak My condolences. and I come back to this. I'm tempted to step back and let someone else sort this out (since socialism is ruling the day?)I not only have to make sense of the RBOA, but the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 05:35, Ed Murphy wrote: tl;dr. Does this boil down to "exchange rates allow me to move assets around with the net effect of spending X to gain X+Y, with the RBoA correspondingly losing Y"? It boils down to "ding dong, the RBoA is dead!". -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA, RBoA, PBA

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 07:08, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 13:51, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I PBA-deposit a 5 crop and a Points Voucher (for ^34). I PBA-withdraw a 6 crop and a 0 crop (spending ^27). I mill 5/6=X and 5/6=X using my two Division Mills. I mill 4*8=X and 4*8=X

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PBA Calculations

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 01:00, Pavitra wrote: If the PBA has 6 X Crops, I PBA-withdraw an X Crop for ^18. Sorry bud, you have no coins. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 12:59, comex wrote: No, rather the former. The RBoA still has lots of Coins, so chits have only a slightly depreciated value. The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is switching to coins. -- ehird

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:27, Roger Hicks wrote: Liberalism springs from a failure of rational thinking So does assuming, and so do generalizations. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:42, Roger Hicks wrote: Oops...and finally, through your PBA deposit net you 68 coins (instead of 60) I am only considering 60 coins to be deposited in the RBOA. BobTHJ Actually, the whole thing was ineffective, due to incorrectly specified rates. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 16:13, comex wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is switching to coins. ...until people start depositing more assets in the RBoA, and there's no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops will cost you 360 chits and you only have 334. I'm considering this a withdraw of four 7 crops, and will wait on ehird to determine what occurs on the PBA side before continuing. You have (334 - 288 =) 46 chits.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) In defense of ehird, some context was lost. E submitted that before the contest as a possible rewrite to the Rule (correcting some meter IIRC) and when the contest started as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops will cost you 360 chits and you only have 334. I'm considering this a withdraw of four 7 crops, and will wait on ehird to determine what occurs on the PBA side before continuing. You have (334 - 288 =) 46 chits.

Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
ttdf Begin forwarded message: From: Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 21 October 2008 18:18:01 BDT To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: I know the "I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins" fails as ais523 got the currencies backward. He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e deposited 65 chits for some coins. Ugh. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:25, Elliott Hird wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: I know the "I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins" fails as ais523 got the currencies backward. He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e deposited 65 chits

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:33, Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wait, you can't deposit chits for coins. Yep, fails. Soagain the real question: Did ais523 succeed in depositing zero, four, or five 7 crops in the PBA? Bob

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:58, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) IIRC that one was explicitly presented as a revision of the rule in question, to tighten up meter or something. No, that was Pavitra's version, which I copied wholesale. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Unofficial RBOA report

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:59, Roger Hicks wrote: Here is an unofficial RBOA report covering the bank run scam and all messages up until ais523's message "Converging the Gamestates". In order to calculate that message I will need to know from ehird the number of coins that ais523 presently possesses

DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a note of the coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. I now request an RBoA report which I can base calculations for the following actions for. Then we can ratify both bank's reports and this will all be over. Th

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:40, Alex Smith wrote: The relevant part seems to be that I deposited a total of 551 Coins into the RBoA, during the scam and shortly afterward. That should let BobTHJ be able to calculate how many Chits I had altogether when I started buying assets. I think most of them

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:33 - ais523 withdraws two X crops for ^37 conditional on the deposit succeeding. (it didn't - ed, 2008-10-21) ais523 transfers all eir coins to the RBoA (^551 - ed, 2008-10-21). So, 551 coins are deposited into the RBOA? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:57, Alex Smith wrote: So I deposited ^551 into the RBoA altogether. Working out how much I deposited when is both much more difficult and irrelevant. -- ais523 Oh, I see. I will include a note in my report. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 23:03, Roger Hicks wrote: Please disregard this last message. It is utterly incorrect. I will repost it. Yay! So are you up to date on RBoA matters? If so, once a [proto-] report is posted I can resolve the last few PBA transactions, we can ratify the reports, etc. -- e

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 11:50, Joshua Boehme wrote: In times of trouble and of strife, We all need some joy in life, Rejoice, Agora, and delight, Out of an impulsive night, Returns a long-time wayward bard, From eir studies, often hard, Cramming, 'till eir head was full, Knowledge actuari

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing off the bank run

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 16:46, Roger Hicks wrote: Is this really necessary? You already made your point with the first scam. Intentionally devaluing other players using already exposed loopholes is frowned upon, isn't it? It wasn't a scam. It was stated that 1 chit = 10 coins. ais523 was just fix

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 19:16, Alex Smith wrote: I'd also like to point out that the current exaggerated rate is quite possibly correct. The PBA's designed to adjust exchange rates automatically, and I think it'll automatically adjust so that a Coin is worth 10 Chits if people withdraw and deposit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 20:04, Ian Kelly wrote: Doesn't matter. The RBoA has a surplus of coins. Might as well put them to use, and if that temporarily reduces the available PBA assets as a side-effect, all the better. Yes, let's punish it for not being vulnerable to rate scams. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: undo

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 20:38, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I PBA-withdraw a WRV. ais523 beat you to it. I transfer a WRV to the PNP This succeeds. :-P -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:14, Ian Kelly wrote: I PBA-withdraw 7 1 crops for 113 coins. Thanks for improving the rates! The PBA is designed to reward you for that, and now you've made the rates better so it's good for all. However, that withdraw fails as it'd actually cost you 112 coins. -- e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Ian Kelly wrote: but for some reason the PBA doesn't seem to have much of actual value. That's because PBA's designed not to stockpile things which are very valuable, like 2 crops. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:05, Ian Kelly wrote: Yes, and they always seem to get withdrawn by the same minority of coinholders, which suggests that in the PBA the slower-to-react players are just feeding the faster ones. No, it would seem like there aren't many Comrades at the moment and of thos

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:30, Bayes wrote: Bayes submits the following proposal, titled "Plugging grafts possibility hang," (AI=1): comex ran this despite me yelling at him not to. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:21, Ian Kelly wrote: I PBA-withdraw a 2 crop for 27 coins (and could somebody verify that my coin holdings are now 153? the web report claims I only have 93 before this transaction). Why would you have that many? You now have ^66. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops for ^112, and finally withdrew a 2-crop for ^27. That adds up to ^154. Hmm, ok

DIS: Re: BUS: monster proposal

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:46, comex wrote: Proposal: Monstercracy (AI=1, II=0) You are not Mad Scientist and I see no reason to interfere with MS/ Monster in this way. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23/10/2008, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I join the PBA. >> I PBA-deposit all my 6 crops (I think this gets me ^156). >> I RBoA-deposit all my coins (I think this gets me 1560 chits). >> I become a Banker. >> I RB

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 00:03, Ian Kelly wrote: I RBoA-deposit 154 coins for 1540 chits. I RBoA-withdraw 5 X crops for 825 chits. I destroy all my remaining chits. I leave all banks to which I am a party. -root Works fine. On 23 Oct 2008, at 01:02, Ed Murphy wrote: I have 482 chits, plus (* = D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 16:07, Roger Hicks wrote: Per the AAA the PBA only has one 5 crop. I'm considering it to be withdrawn unless I hear otherwise from ehird. OK, my web report assumes it all works, and I'm writing a script to manage all this for me, so no immediate fix, but I will include t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 16:32, Roger Hicks wrote: Fails. the PBA has no X crops. Um, if you check my online report, I already processed these actions. It did have one, but e took it out. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 16:43, Roger Hicks wrote: Nope...it sure didn'tunless you can tell me where it came from. Oh...okay. oO( Good thing my script will sort this out... good thing ratification will sort this out... ) -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dictatorship

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 16:32, comex wrote: Why exactly would this work? Do you like fruit pancakes? -- ehird

DIS: PBA automated report & BobTHJ

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report New report format. Stuff was different, I messed up, this is made by a program, it's correct. Comments welcome. @BobTHJ: A program has now verified that yes, it did have an X crop. It's probably in the history somewhere. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dictatorship

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 19:54, Ed Murphy wrote: I'm treating this as ineffective until/unless you produce some convincing evidence that such a contract exists and has Sgeo and you as parties. Well, Sgeo is a party even if e doesn't know it. You happen to be a party too, I believe you are obligated

Re: DIS: PBA automated report & BobTHJ

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 20:14, Elliott Hird wrote: http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report New report format. Stuff was different, I messed up, this is made by a program, it's correct. Comments welcome. @BobTHJ: A program has now verified that yes, it did have an X crop. It's probab

Re: DIS: PBA automated report & BobTHJ

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 20:14, Elliott Hird wrote: http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report New report format. Stuff was different, I messed up, this is made by a program, it's correct. Comments welcome. @BobTHJ: A program has now verified that yes, it did have an X crop. It's probab

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dictatorship

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 20:20, Kerim Aydin wrote: Show us why we all are, please? -G. I'd love to, but that'd violate section 7. -- ehird

Re: DIS: PBA automated report & BobTHJ

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 20:26, Elliott Hird wrote: OK, now you can look. -- ehird Note - the stuff the PBA has is just from root's leaving. It calculates for the version of the PBA (soon to be resolved) where it's just destroyed. Although when that's resolved, all the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Monster has reached critical mass

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 20:40, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: The Monster has reached critical mass How dare you. It's a good thing we be exporting that thing into B!! -- ehird

Re: DIS: PBA automated report & BobTHJ

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 21:00, Roger Hicks wrote: You're showing ais523 depositing an X crop as part of the original bank run scam. To the best of my knowledge e did not. Therefore it can not withdraw it later. I'm pretty sure e did, considering e wrote that log. -- ehird

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24/10/2008, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/agora/newmain.htm is an updated version > of agoranomic.org, so perhaps Taral might use this.. > Comments? > Thanks to woggle for help with some content! > Please don't abuse murphy's slow machine.

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24/10/2008, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24/10/2008, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/agora/newmain.htm is an updated version >> of agoranomic.org, so perhaps Taral might use this.. >> Comments? >> Than

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 07:42, Ian Kelly wrote: GreyKnight both came up with the heraldry and created the image. Eir domain appears to be gone, but eir email was yahoo, and I assume it probably still works. I had luck contacting him via MemoServ on freenode (e was apparently an #esoteric deniz

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: banking

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:06, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I withdraw 74 coins from the RBoA for 395 chits. Since that probably failed, I instead withdraw 65 coins for 390 chits. (I rounded in the wrong place I think) Waitin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:18, Roger Hicks wrote: I RBoA-deposit ^50 for 500 chits. I'll assume for now that this works, though ehird please let me know if Murphy has insufficient coins to make this RBOA deposit. It doesn't. Recorded at http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report; basically no collatera

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:32, Alex Smith wrote: According to ehird's website, Murphy only had ^43 at that point. ehird, care to make that official? I already said that to a-d. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:34, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:31, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:18, Roger Hicks wrote: I RBoA-deposit ^50 for 500 chits. I'll assume for now that this works, though ehird please let me know if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: banking

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:36, Roger Hicks wrote: Here you succeed in withdrawing 11 Coins for 66 chits, leaving you with 2 chits remaining. Now come on. "instead" and the context clearly means it shouldn't happen if the previous succeeded. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 19:42, Ed Murphy wrote: I RBoA-withdraw as many coins as I can. BobTHJ? -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 19:43, Ed Murphy wrote: You should link to this from http://www.nomictools.com/ Sidebar. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 20:26, Roger Hicks wrote: NOTE: After this withdraw I show the RBoA having 260 coins remaining. The PBA would seem to have a different figure. What's the difference? I dunno. I don't have your recent change history; you have the PBA's. Search for 'RBoA', all the lines are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 21:39, comex wrote: I agree to the following pledge: { This is a pledge. Bones are a currency. The Treasurer is the recordkeeper of Bones. Initially the Treasurer is comex. } Royal Bank of UNDEAD! -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: FRC

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 22:47, Ed Murphy wrote: ITYM "Contest". ITYM "unambiguous". -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: A handful of parties.

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 23:36, 0x44 wrote: I become party to the Fantasy Rules Contest. I become a Farmer. I become party to the Vote Market. I believe you would like the PBA. ;-) -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-25 Thread Elliott Hird
On 25 Oct 2008, at 02:37, warrigal wrote: If you join the Llama Party, you can force BobTHJ and me to vote AGAINST (unless we're both FOR it, in which case you'll be voting AGAINST and we'll be voting FOR). If e joins the Llama Party e has less of a vote. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-25 Thread Elliott Hird
On 25 Oct 2008, at 16:04, warrigal wrote: E has more of a vote, if eir votes are AGAINST. But in other cases... -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste increase

2008-10-25 Thread Elliott Hird
On 25 Oct 2008, at 18:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spend E G# B to increase ehird's caste to Delta, unless this would violate the Note Exchange agreement. (I don't think it does, but this is from memory.) Oh, you taunter... -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste increase

2008-10-25 Thread Elliott Hird
On 25 Oct 2008, at 19:07, warrigal wrote: Claim of error: The above was actually sent by ehird. Thank you for pointing out that a fake From: address was used. It absolutely was not, as e said e was going to do it privately on IRC beforehand. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-25 Thread Elliott Hird
On 25 Oct 2008, at 21:19, Ian Kelly wrote: FOR x 5. Down with the PBA! Damn that evil thing with the qualities of not being incredibly exploitable re: rates! Seriously, what's wrong with it? -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste increase

2008-10-25 Thread Elliott Hird
Full disclosure. Both I and ais have root on the serv in q. On 25/10/2008, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 25, 2008, at 1:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I spend E G# B to increase ehird's caste to Delta, unless this would >> violate the Note Exchange agreement. (I don't t

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: More proto-contract: an Agoran Loan Service

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 03:07, warrigal wrote: So as to be able to lend more money: I deposit a Vote Point for 21 coins. I deposit a Vote Point for 20 coins. I deposit a Vote Point for 19 coins. I deposit a Vote Point for 18 coins. I deposit a Vote Point for 17 coins. I deposit a Vote Point for 16 c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 03:42, Ian Kelly wrote: Nothing in particular. Just the scams annoyed me, and I'm feeling petty. The scams are pretty unrelated to the PBA itself, though; just because I was pretty satisfied with them and said "sure" to ais523 finishing it off later doesn't mean the

Re: DIS: Partnership models

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 06:43, Jamie Dallaire wrote: This is a partnership between X and Y. If the Dow hits 6000 before hitting 12000, X must transfer 1000 chits [[not sure what those are yet...]] to Y. Else, Y must transfer 1000 chits to X. Chits are the currency of the Reformed Bank of Agora,

Re: DIS: Partnership models

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 14:51, Roger Hicks wrote: I would recommend against the doom and gloom that indicates teh RBOA will fail. Despite any setbacks it is still doing fine. However, its model has been shown to be fundamentally flawed. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Partnership models

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 15:18, Roger Hicks wrote: Not at all. It just proved to be a useful too to balancing the PBA's initial rate flaws. Now that the PBA rates are more in line with what they should be the RBOA abuse should slow or stop completely. ...until actual usage patterns show up a differ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: PBA Busting

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 16:29, Roger Hicks wrote: Revenge? Vindication? Grumpiness? Waaah, my bank was scammed. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: PBA Busting

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 17:42, Roger Hicks wrote: Anyway, anyone want to fill my Buy ticket? I want to see these distributed today. All of the active PerlNomic members seem to be PBA-{neutral,supportive}. -- ehird

DIS: Markov pledging

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
14:05:51 fungot: If your response to this message makes sense as a set of obligations to impose on me in Agora, I pledge to follow them. 14:05:51 comex: ( a) as soon as possible after being made aware of this condition, randomly select a copy of the requested records within one week. 14:0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: PBA Busting

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 21:36, Roger Hicks wrote: OopsI had another (highly secret) reason for doing thisbut I just realized it won't work after all. Ah well. Can I have my VP now? -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 22:11, comex wrote: I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the PBA. >__< God damn it. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27/10/2008, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the >> PBA. > > I withdraw all assets that I deposited in this message, except for 2 VP. > can't afford all of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 03:56, Ian Kelly wrote: Ironic. Oh? Not very. Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. Messing them up via proposal is not. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 13:34, Geoffrey Spear wrote: comex: you shouldn't purposely make things difficult for the recordkeepors of badly-designed banks. The RBoA has exactly the same problem, except BobTHJ controls almost every currency it trades in anyway. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 13:10, Geoffrey Spear wrote: For practical reasons, such announcements SHOULD be avoided to prevent cascading of unknown-at-the-moment-but-platonically-unambiguous gamestate. tell that to comex -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:28, comex wrote: I think there's just a fundamental problem trading assets with different recordkeepors. I repeat that automation would be nice-- one entity could effectively recordkeep all assets anyone cared to make, removing the current constraints on the asset system.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:33, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Proto: PNP becomes the Accountor, someone besides me writes the code to make that work, and all contracts are amended to remove the recordkeepors of the assets they define. Proto: Agora absorbs PerlNomic. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 15:13, Roger Hicks wrote: I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting out crazy transactions like this I would have plenty of time to publish reports for the contracts that I manage. Hear, hear. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 16:31, Roger Hicks wrote: The total amount of coins ais523 deposited during the Bank Run was 551, not 719. Incorrect. That was how much I thought. My program says otherwise. 2008-10-20 19:39 -- RBoA transfers ^275 to root. This was 250 coins, not 275. Nope. Again, I th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:06, Ian Kelly wrote: Why? The whole point of making an R1728 contract is to let the contract be governed by Agora. Messing with things by proposal is a long tradition in Agora. It'd help if this were actually interesting. Even comex doesn't approve eir own proposal;

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Roger Hicks wrote: Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by proposal. Then vote against the mental health act. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 16:44, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:39 -- RBoA transfers ^275 to root. root clearly specifies in eir e-mail that e is withdrawing 250 coins. > I believe I have 4337 chits. I withdraw 394 coins for 4334 chits; if > I have fewer chits than 4334, then I withdraw as man

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 18:17, Roger Hicks wrote: ehird, this is the message of root's I am referring to. OK. Will process On 27 Oct 2008, at 01:34, warrigal wrote: I do this 30 times: if I have more than 50 VP, I deposit 1 VP for at least 15 coins. bobthj, please tell me how many vp warriga

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops for ^112, and finally withdrew a 2-crop for ^27. That adds up to ^154. BobTHJ..

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 18:26, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:23, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, wi

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