Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: While I was temporarily unaware of UNAWARE, I still prefer EXCUSED as a precedent for this. If a Judge is aware of some contrary argument, e should still be ethically charged to "not avoid" making *what e believes in good faith* to be an appropriate judgement, even if e is aware

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 28, 2007 6:35 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I was temporarily unaware of UNAWARE, I still prefer EXCUSED as > a precedent for this. If a Judge is aware of some contrary argument, > e should still be ethically charged to "not avoid" making *what e believes > in good fait

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Nov 28, 2007 5:49 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Since the defendant honestly believed that the judgement that e assigned >> was appropriate, I think e should be EXCUSED. Under the recent rule >> change, e could also be found UNAWARE, but EXCU

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 18:15:36 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Nov 28, 2007 5:49 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since the defendant honestly believed that the judgement that e assigned > > was appropriate, I think e should be EXCUSED. Under the recent rule > > change, e could also be foun

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 28, 2007 5:49 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since the defendant honestly believed that the judgement that e assigned > was appropriate, I think e should be EXCUSED. Under the recent rule > change, e could also be found UNAWARE, but EXCUSED covers it. I forgot about that. I chang

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >This is broken, but I must find GUILTY. [If anyone has a way out, >please suggest it]. Since the defendant honestly believed that the judgement that e assigned was appropriate, I think e should be EXCUSED. Under the recent rule change, e could also be found UNAWARE, but EXCUS

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 3:23 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is broken, but I must find GUILTY. [If anyone has a way out, please suggest it]. I also submit the following [proto-proposal]: I concur, and I suggest that DISCHARGE is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Nov 28, 2007 3:23 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is broken, but I must find GUILTY. [If anyone has a way out, >> please suggest it]. I also submit the following [proto-proposal]: > > I concur, and I suggest that DISCHARGE is the on

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 28, 2007 3:23 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is broken, but I must find GUILTY. [If anyone has a way out, > please suggest it]. I also submit the following [proto-proposal]: I concur, and I suggest that DISCHARGE is the only appropriate sentence. > Amend Rule 2158 by r

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Zefram wrote: > Action: assigning an inappropriate judgement to the question on veracity >in CFJ 1711 proto-judgement: This is a very unfortunate case. I'm a very strong believer in "no compulsion of judges." Incorrect judgement should be dealt with by appeals, wi