Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 30, 2008 5:16 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, Rule 478 explicitly redefines a public message with one, > clear definition: > A message is public if and only if it is sent via a public forum > or is sent to all players and contains a clear designation of > intent

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread comex
On Jan 30, 2008 6:31 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Rules don't need to define an action to proscribe it. > > In this case, it would still be perfectly possible in the absence of > the rules to falsely make a statement in a manner that the rules as > they exist deem to be public, i.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 30, 2008 4:17 PM, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if the player making that statement believed it wasn't true, then > that statement would be a lie, which is what the statement says? The rule prohibits any person from making a statement that e does not believe to be true. T

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 30, 2008 4:15 PM, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > since > > making a public statement is not a rule-defined action. > > > > I'm not sure I follow this. How would it be possible to violate Rule > 2149 if the act of 'making a public statement' is not defined by the rules? The Rul

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Levi Stephen
Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Jan 30, 2008 3:02 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Making the public statement 'This statement is a lie' would cause the person making that statement to violate Rule 2149. Soliciting comments on this CFJ. Judge BobTHJ I agree with H. Zefram's anal

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Levi Stephen
> since making a public statement is not a rule-defined action. I'm not sure I follow this. How would it be possible to violate Rule 2149 if the act of 'making a public statement' is not defined by the rules? Levi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 30, 2008 1:02 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Soliciting comments on this CFJ. Zefram's assessment seemed reasonable to me, although I think that the statement is too general to be found TRUE; UNDETERMINED seems more appropriate. Note also that a judgement of UNDECIDABLE here

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Jan 30, 2008 3:02 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Making the public statement 'This statement is a lie' would > > cause the person making that statement to violate Rule 2149. > > Soliciting comments on this CFJ. > > Judge BobTHJ I agree with H. Zefram's analysis. Rule

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1887 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-01-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Jan 29, 2008 10:34 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1887 > > == CFJ 1887 == > > Making the public statement 'This statement is a lie' would > cause the person m