Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 3195

2012-03-29 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM, ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 08:06 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: I intend, with two support, to request reconsideration of CFJ 3187. I support. I do so. You need to support it first. (Feel free to CFJ on whether the above constituted implici

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 3195

2012-03-29 Thread Mister Snuggles
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 29 March 2012 15:53, Mister Snuggles wrote: >> you have found me. > > Hey, there's still three people you could be. > > (It's not me.) as far as i know, all of my messages sent to agora, whether from this address or from another, have be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 3195

2012-03-29 Thread Elliott Hird
On 29 March 2012 15:53, Mister Snuggles wrote: > you have found me. Hey, there's still three people you could be. (It's not me.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 3195

2012-03-29 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 12:17 -0400, omd wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM, ais523 wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 08:06 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> I intend, with two support, to request reconsideration of CFJ 3187. > > I support. > > I do so. You have to support before you do so, don't

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 3195

2012-03-29 Thread Mister Snuggles
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Here are the players who deregistered after #1 (the starred ones were > recent enough for #2 to be blocked by Rule 869's 30-day limit) hnng i forgot about that. my registration attempt failed. the game is up. you have found me. mister snuggle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread Sean Hunt
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, comex wrote: >> Indeed, I think Agora might be irrevocably broken if email were to >> cease to exist. > > email would platonically start to exist again within 4 weeks, due to AIAN. While that is possibly one of the best answers to any questi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread Pavitra
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, comex wrote: >> Indeed, I think Agora might be irrevocably broken if email were to >> cease to exist. > > email would platonically start to exist again within 4 weeks, due to AIAN. Only if we consider the existence of email part of the game

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, comex wrote: > Indeed, I think Agora might be irrevocably broken if email were to > cease to exist. email would platonically start to exist again within 4 weeks, due to AIAN.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM, ais523 wrote: >> Of course.  All of Agora depends on email to exist.  Contracts depend >> on language.  I agree with you that it doesn't mean that R1728 clause is >> wholly broken because nothing exists in a vacuum. > > The only places email is even mentioned in Ago

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 16:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > > It says "depends on", not "depends only on". If one or more factors > > is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them > > is the contract, then its existence depends on the contract.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Not entirely true. For minors, their *legal* existence (ability to >> enter a contract for example) depends on a guardian of some type, if >> one disappears the court appoints another. -G. > > What country are you from? I'm from anc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: > Not entirely true. For minors, their *legal* existence (ability to > enter a contract for example) depends on a guardian of some type, if > one disappears the court appoints another. -G. What country are you from? That is /certainly/ not how it works here in Canada, or in a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: It says "depends on", not "depends only on".  If one or more factors is necessary to preserve the existence of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:26 PM, comex wrote: >> And my dependents would survive without me but they *legally* depend >> on me.  It's a legal distinction. > > No, their *existence* does not depend on you, legally or otherwise. Right, it depends on a stork. Or an intelligent designer.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: >>> It says "depends on", not "depends only on".  If one or more factors >>> is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them >>> is the contract, then its

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: >> It says "depends on", not "depends only on".  If one or more factors >> is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them >> is the contract, then its existence depends on the contract. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM, comex wrote: >> It says "depends on", not "depends only on".  If one or more factors >> is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them > *are necessary That's not to say there are *no* pedants around here...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > It says "depends on", not "depends only on". If one or more factors > is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them > is the contract, then its existence depends on the contract. And my dependents would survive without me but they *legall

DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Does this matter? Yes. A later part of R2141 reads: > For the purposes of rules governing modification of instruments, > the text, power, ID number, and title of a rule are all > substantive aspects of the rule. > Therefore, the contract is "acting like"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM, comex wrote: > It says "depends on", not "depends only on".  If one or more factors > is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them *are necessary -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I think this holds some water, perhaps more than my argument.  And > it's much simpler. > > R1728 allows Contract-actions as long as: >                                               the effects of that >      action are restricted to altering ent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: >> JUDGE'S PROTO-ARGUMENTS: >> >> Let's start with the authorizing agent: R1728/24 (power=3) reads in >> part: >> A person CAN perform a dependent action authorized by a contract >> as if that contract were a rule, provided that the above >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 12:16 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > G. wrote: > > > == CFJ 2651 == > > If I don't receive 15 objections, it will be POSSIBLE for me to > > indirectly cause a Rule Change using Contract A. > > ==

DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > == CFJ 2651 == > If I don't receive 15 objections, it will be POSSIBLE for me to > indirectly cause a Rule Change using Contract A. > > > JUDGE'S

DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > [I pledged to post a proto.  Here it is.  I already had a private > discussion with c. about it; he made some good counterarguments, I hope e > will re-post it for a discussion to happen before the judgement is due]. Reposting, I submit all be