Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:57 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Hands have generally been treated as separate contracts, and now, > because they have clauses excluding people from each if they're not a > party to the other, you say that each Hand is an "arbitrary subset"? Yes. > You say th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:03 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Maybe you care about a different abstract level than those who agree >> to the Hands; I expect that most of their parties care that they be >> treated as separa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Maybe you care about a different abstract level than those who agree >> to the Hands; I expect that most of their parties care that they be >> treated as separate contracts. > > What matters is how the rules view it, not the pa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:03 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> At Place X, if I buy a chocolate bar I must buy an ice cream cone, and >>> if I buy an ice cream cone I must buy a chocolate bar. Therefore, the >>> chocolate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> At Place X, if I buy a chocolate bar I must buy an ice cream cone, and >> if I buy an ice cream cone I must buy a chocolate bar. Therefore, the >> chocolate bar and the ice cream cone together are one item. > > They're two sepa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-01 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:29 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't see how this makes any difference whatsoever. A person >> entering into the agreement in this manner would either have to agree >> to the Right Hand, f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-01 Thread ihope
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see how this makes any difference whatsoever. A person > entering into the agreement in this manner would either have to agree > to the Right Hand, forgoing eir R101(v) right to not be considered > bound by it, or else

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-01 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is possible to agree to all of Left Hand, and then have the court > toss out a clause (but not the whole agreement) or declare the clause > non-functional because the clause conflicts with a rule or is otherwise > illegal.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It follows from this that were someone to guess the Right Hand content >> referred to in the Left Hand and to become a Partner of the Left Hand >> by announcement, eir act of joining

DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-01 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It follows from this that were someone to guess the Right Hand content > referred to in the Left Hand and to become a Partner of the Left Hand > by announcement, eir act of joining would most likely fail to bind em > to the